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Old 10-21-2009, 03:35 PM    (permalink
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I guess this makes sense, but they might have wanted to wait until after his next win to announce it. Cutler is launching up interceptions like it's nobody's business. He's on pace for what, 22? I'm notoriously low on Cutler, though. I think he's too careless and inconsistent.
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I guess this makes sense, but they might have wanted to wait until after his next win to announce it. Cutler is launching up interceptions like it's nobody's business. He's on pace for what, 22? I'm notoriously low on Cutler, though. I think he's too careless and inconsistent.
What would waiting until next week have mattered? Do you think there are Chicago fans upset with this move?
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Not trolling, its my honest opinion of Cutler from watching him play. He has the physical talent, but his decision making is lacking. He doesn't have the mindset needed to be a great QB, he will always be a good QB who makes too many mistakes. Those mistakes won't kill him against average teams, but in the playoffs against good/great teams, he won't be consistent enough to win it all.

Thats my honest opinion of Cutler....take it or leave it, but not trolling.


didn't always hurt this guy...

i also like how you're convinced hes the 'good QB who makes too many mistakes'.

Mistake making QB's rarely are good. The ones that are good, are the guy above. Not David Carr, not Aaron Brooks, not Rex Grossman, nor Matt Leinart or Jake The Snake... You're falling to the concept of 'public perception', imo. consistancy to win it all from the QB position isn't always the strongest indication to success at winning in the playoffs...
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Uh, leave Brent out of this. Had enough of that chump lately.
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didn't always hurt this guy...

i also like how you're convinced hes the 'good QB who makes too many mistakes'.

Mistake making QB's rarely are good. The ones that are good, are the guy above. Not David Carr, not Aaron Brooks, not Rex Grossman, nor Matt Leinart or Jake The Snake... You're falling to the concept of 'public perception', imo. consistancy to win it all from the QB position isn't always the strongest indication to success at winning in the playoffs...
Sure you can say he is a watered-down version of Favre...and a full-strength version of Farve won one lombardi in a looooooooooong career. He's no Favre but prone to similar mistakes, which to me means unless he has a serious change in his play in the coming years, he will not win a championship.

Hey listen, its nice to have a guy with that kind of talent who can win you some games. But at the same time, if he never wins you a championship was he worth it? You can't really let him go cause the bears have been QB starved for so long they'll hold onto him forever. And they'll make the playoffs with him a good amount of times perhaps. But I don't think he is a championship QB.

Could he get hot in the playoffs one year and win it all? Its possible, but I think unlikely.
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But at the same time, if he never wins you a championship was he worth it?
Yes, a thousand times yes. If Cutler has a great career and never wins the Superbowl, I still won't want those 1st round picks back. A lot of great Quaterbacks don't win Superbowls, so even granting that your flimsly argument has merit, I would still want him.
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why is he no Favre?
Does someone honestly need to explain this to you? Jay Cutler is nothing compared to Brent in entering his prime, most quarterbacks aren't.
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Does someone honestly need to explain this to you? Jay Cutler is nothing compared to Brent in entering his prime, most quarterbacks aren't.
Brent's a cool guy, but I don't think I'd take him over Cutler.
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Brent's a cool guy, but I don't think I'd take him over Cutler.
In their prime? Child please.
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In their prime? Child please.
Wait my bad, I thought you just made a typo. Then I saw you called him Brent in a previous post. So forget I said it lol. I was thinking it was a typo, and was talking about Brent the poster.
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Wait my bad, I thought you just made a typo. Then I saw you called him Brent in a previous post. So forget I said it lol. I was thinking it was a typo, and was talking about Brent the poster.
I'd probably take Brent the poster too. ;)


But Brent comes from this group of T-shirts. I forget not everyone is familiar with the Packers.

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Does someone honestly need to explain this to you? Jay Cutler is nothing compared to Brent in entering his prime, most quarterbacks aren't.
im not saying production wise, but playing style wise.
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Sure you can say he is a watered-down version of Favre...and a full-strength version of Farve won one lombardi in a looooooooooong career. He's no Favre but prone to similar mistakes, which to me means unless he has a serious change in his play in the coming years, he will not win a championship.

Hey listen, its nice to have a guy with that kind of talent who can win you some games. But at the same time, if he never wins you a championship was he worth it? You can't really let him go cause the bears have been QB starved for so long they'll hold onto him forever. And they'll make the playoffs with him a good amount of times perhaps. But I don't think he is a championship QB.

Could he get hot in the playoffs one year and win it all? Its possible, but I think unlikely.
Favre has won as many Lombardi's as: Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson. That's a 'bad' argument.

Hell, how many teams win multiple SB's in a career? You find it's the exception, not the norm. And, I don't think any Bears fan, or most fans in general, are looking for the QB to be the ANSWER to win multiple SB's. If so, that's a naive idea that's impossible to even predict and expect from a quarterback. I'd prefer a quarterback that gives us more winning seasons than losing seasons. One that can make plays as a QB in the playoffs.

I think your problem, shake, is that you're under the dying impression that this kid is wholly responsible for the inability of the previous denver broncos teams. That's not the case anymore.

And I don't think you have the insight to say 'hey, he's never going to be able to win the superbowl'... Because, look above, some of those quarterbacks are really good. Some are really... average. What do they all have in common? Talented teams and superior coaching. Are the Bears that team yet? No. Not yet... but is it possible during his career as a Bear that they become that. Definitely possible.

and TT, i'm sorry for bringing brent into it. I know he's a sore spot on you and all packers fans genitals. And yes, Cutler isn't Favre, he won't be Favre, and probably will never be Favre. He'll be better (*snickers*)...
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So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

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So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
I can say, you legitimately pwnd that one, good show.
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So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

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So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

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im not saying production wise, but playing style wise.
So you're esentially saying he's a poor decision maker that dosen't get production either. Sounds like my kind of QB...
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no, im saying that after brett played like 500000 years he had awesome production and his playing style succeeded more than it failed him, so why should it be any different for someone with the same playing style?
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no, im saying that after brett played like 500000 years he had awesome production and his playing style succeeded more than it failed him, so why should it be any different for someone with the same playing style?
Yeah! Kyle Boller is bound to have success if he keeps at it.
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So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
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Yeah! Kyle Boller is bound to have success if he keeps at it.
so Cutler = Boller?

even considering boller, you can see it is not the playing style that really is what it takes. I mean all 3 of those guys, favre, boller and Cutler basically have the same playing style and you have 3 different results.
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no, im saying that after brett played like 500000 years he had awesome production and his playing style succeeded more than it failed him, so why should it be any different for someone with the same playing style?
what my poor germasian friend here is trying to say.

he has a great arm, good presence, and average to slightly above average accuracy... much like our good friend brent. what separates the two is the production and general 'awareness' of recievers that brent had. What's great for brent though, was that he had 15 years of relative stability (8 with holmgren isn't a bad start), and had some quality recievers (robert brooks, sterling sharpe, and antonio freeman weren't chumps and played for quite a while (and then i could toss in DD for 5 more years)...)

Cutler's a youngin.
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I'd probably take Brent the poster too. ;)


But Brent comes from this group of T-shirts. I forget not everyone is familiar with the Packers.

Brent the poster is quite skinny, I doubt his body could hold up to the hits an NFL QB would take. Also, Texas A&M is not known for producing top QBs, especially when they don't play football.
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