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Old 10-21-2009, 03:35 AM    (permalink
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Default If players actually played up to their draft stock...

Who would have the best team in the league?

Busts would be the exceptions (only 4 or 5 in the first round, etc.,), later round picks would hardly yield sleepers (i know they're scarce as it is, but my point...)

Workout warriors would of course be forces of nature, Ryan Leaf would still be playing, on and on.

Still, consider coaching, owners, and the like.
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The Lions would probably be unstoppable lol.
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The Lions would probably be unstoppable lol.
QFT we would have 3 all pro WRs an all pro LT and an All pro QB Jason Hanson would be kicking 100 yard FGs
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This is difficult to argue because if players lived up to their standards then their teams may not have been picking in the exact same place the following season thus forcing them to select a different player than they originally selected.
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Jake Delhomme is about right atm.

David Carr would be better than Brady. LOL
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This thread made me think, where did the recent heisman winners go in the pros. I took them from the first winner still in the league.
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan Defensive back
1998 Ricky Williams Texas Running Back
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin Running Back
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State Quarterback
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska Quarterback
2002 Carson Palmer USC Quarterback
2003 Jason White Oklahoma Quarterback
2004 Matt Leinart USC Quarterback
2005 Reggie Bush USC Running Back
2006 Troy Smith Ohio State Quarterback
2007 Tim Tebow Florida Quarterback
2008 Sam Bradford Oklahoma Quarterback

It suprised me that four (if im not mistaking) arent even in the league anymore. And of the remaining two of the qb's are backups and at the moment none of them look anywhere near good enough to be HoFers. In fact, the last Heisman winner to reach the HoF was barry sanders and that doesnt seem likely to change quickly imo
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I'm not a college expert, but is the heismann awarded to the best overall football player or simply the most productive?
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It's essentially an MVP award for college football, and it's just as terrible as the other MVP awards in other major sports.

Generally, it means the best player on either of the two teams playing for the national championship.
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It's essentially an MVP award for college football, and it's just as terrible as the other MVP awards in other major sports.

Generally, it means the best player on either of the two teams playing for the national championship.
and it's given to only QB's and RB's.

with the exception of woodson.
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with the exception of woodson.
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This thread is dumb. If everyone would play up to their potential, everyone would be above average therefore raising the bar and make it average again
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Generally, it means the best player on either of the two teams playing for the national championship.
Yep, because Shonn Greene should have won it last year! :)
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Neither. It's for the RB or QB with prettiest stats who plays for a highly ranked team.
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Tom Brady would not be good and the league would collapse on itself like a supernova.

And yes Detroit would be unstoppable but our defense would still be junk with only Ernie Sims taken in the 1st round in the last 9 years.
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I'd also say, Ryan Leaf would be the best quarterback of all time.

Drew Brees probably wouldn't have been drafted by the Bolts later on. Meaning he'd probably never end up on the Saints... Aaron Brooks STILL? Brees probably woulda sucked anyway... he is short after all... like doug flutie.

In 2004, Phillip Rivers would probably have landed in the PGH (instead of picking ben) or New Orleans (instead of picking will smith), maybe even the Bills (instead of picking ... Man. Imagine Rivers on the Bills... Lee Evans might have been the Next Andre Reed... but hey, it'd be funny if Rivers was on the Saints instead of Brees.

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I'd also say, Ryan Leaf would be the best quarterback of all time.

Drew Brees probably wouldn't have been drafted by the Bolts later on. Meaning he'd probably never end up on the Saints... Aaron Brooks STILL? Brees probably woulda sucked anyway... he is short after all... like doug flutie.

In 2004, Phillip Rivers would probably have landed in the PGH (instead of picking ben) or New Orleans (instead of picking will smith), maybe even the Bills (instead of picking ... Man. Imagine Rivers on the Bills... Lee Evans might have been the Next Andre Reed... but hey, it'd be funny if Rivers was on the Saints instead of Brees.

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We took Evans with the pick with which we'd be theoretically taking Rivers.

It was gutwrenching for me wanting Roethlisberger so bad that year while knowing he wouldn't get past Pittsburgh.
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We took Evans with the pick with which we'd be theoretically taking Rivers.

It was gutwrenching for me wanting Roethlisberger so bad that year while knowing he wouldn't get past Pittsburgh.
MY BAD.

for some reason, while I was looking at the list, I just casually skipped over the bills and then went back in my brain and had an awesome conceptual backstory.
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Who would have the best team in the league?

Busts would be the exceptions (only 4 or 5 in the first round, etc.,), later round picks would hardly yield sleepers (i know they're scarce as it is, but my point...)

Workout warriors would of course be forces of nature, Ryan Leaf would still be playing, on and on.

Still, consider coaching, owners, and the like.
What do you mean by that? You saying the bust stay bust, in that case the Lion still would suck.

Then thing taht would change would be the first round guys who didn't turn into superstars, and are average/starters right now, would then be amazing.

And its hard to determine a bust then. Like take for instance Tedd Ginn, would most people lable him as a bust yes, because he didn't live up to his draft stock or pick. But he currently is a starter and is capable/average or above average WR. So now where do we draw the line, is he in the bust pile or is he going to be that superstar.
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This contest is easy: the Raiders have taken so many colossal busts in recent years it isn't funny anymore, now I just have pity on their fans. What a loyal group that is, I'm not sure I could handle that man.
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