Charles Brown, OT, USC

Cicero · 10-21-2009, 06:42 PM

The question I want to ask is do you believe he's a first round pick, but I just labeled it as Charles Brown so we can discuss anything else about him.

If size didn't matter I would love the kid. He absolutely looks great out there on the field in the running game and in pass protection. His biggest problem (no pun intended) is his lack of size. He's listed at 6'6 285 lbs. Colleges often list their players as taller and heavier then they actually are too. He's just not big enough to be a LT in the NFL right now, there's no way around it.

How many starting LTs are that small? From all the searching I did, he would be the smallest LT in football. You can't just add 25 solid pounds with a snap of a finger, and I think he's going to have to sit while he bulks up for at least a year.

I see him being mocked in round 1 a lot, but do you really think is going to be willing to sit their first round pick for at least a year? Usually a team targeting a LT in round 1 are looking for someone who can come in and make an impact now. I also don't think a team that likes big lineman like the Cowboys and the Eagles are going to be interested in him. He's probably only going to be considered by ZBS teams who are fine with smaller guys on the line.

I would be willing to wager a fair amount of money that his weight keeps him out of round 1.

Babylon · 10-21-2009, 07:14 PM

He needs to come back for his senior year and get bigger and stronger. He's been real good in pass protection but both their tackles havent been great in the run game. He may be a borderline 1st if he comes out but more likely he's a 2nd rounder right now.

Cicero · 10-21-2009, 07:16 PM

I'm just wondering, when was the last time a LT was drafted in round 1 who weighed 285 lbs or less, does anyone know?

roscoesdad27 · 10-21-2009, 07:26 PM

okung is listed at 300 at only 6'5....but they look the exact same size to me only browns a bit taller and has a better frame (longer arms). As you said brown looks excellent in pass and run blocking whilst okung seems to struggle in run blocking...i wouldnt be too surprised if brown went before okung, but neither is top 15 material to me.

Thumper · 10-21-2009, 07:29 PM

I absolutely cannot believe that Charles Brown is getting all of this hype. Why? Why is he getting hype?

Sure he is a dancing bear in pass protection but in the run game he is completely useless. Is it because he beat up on an even more overrated prospect in Justin Cole?

Did anyone watch the Ohio State game where he was blown up by Thaddeus Gibson and Cameron Heyward? Obviously not. He gets absolutely no push in the run game.

And IDK if anyone noticed but he is listed at 6'6" and 285 pounds on the USC website. Somebody please tell me the last top OT prospect less than 290 pounds. He looks the part of a TE on the field, and not in a good way. And, you know his size is inflated on the USC website so in all likelihood he is probably even lighter than that. He will get bull rushed non-stop in the NFL. I saw him get blown off the line by Thaddeus Gibson who isn't exactly a big guy at about 255 pounds.

This guy is way overhyped and I would recommend you all hop off of this bandwagon ASAP. You just wait until he plays a legit 4-3 DE, he will get destroyed. He gets lucky and gets to play the lightweight defensive ends of the Pac-10. He faced a 3-4 DE and was absolutely demolished all night and he was a large reason why the USC offense did not get going all night against Ohio State.

If he faced Greg Hardy, Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham or Corey Wootton I highly doubt he would be nearly as good as Justin Cole makes him look. Hell I don't think Matt Barkley would survive a game if he face Jerry Hughes or Eric Norwood. This guy is the lightweight version of Winston Justice.

His strengths are his frame which is long, long arms, he has a nice kick step to beat the defensive end to the edge and he is very athletic. His ceiling is high, but he really needs to add some weight and he needs to get stronger, and he needs to learn some run blocking technique.

TACKLE · 10-21-2009, 07:31 PM

I doubt Brown weighs that little. I bet you he comes to the combine at 295+. The guy definitely looks bigger than 285 and he'll definitely be above that by the time the combine comes. He looks much thicker than D'Brickashaw and Brick came into the combine at over 300. I bet he weighs like 280 during the season though.

roscoesdad27 · 10-21-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

I absolutely cannot believe that Charles Brown is getting all of this hype. Why? Why is he getting hype?

Sure he is a dancing bear in pass protection but in the run game he is completely useless. Is it because he beat up on an even more overrated prospect in Justin Cole?

Did anyone watch the Ohio State game where he was blown up by Thaddeus Gibson and Cameron Heyward? Obviously not. He gets absolutely no push in the run game.

And IDK if anyone noticed but he is listed at 6'6" and 285 pounds on the USC website. Somebody please tell me the last top OT prospect less than 290 pounds. He looks the part of a TE on the field, and not in a good way. And, you know his size is inflated on the USC website so in all likelihood he is probably even lighter than that. He will get bull rushed non-stop in the NFL. I saw him get blown off the line by Thaddeus Gibson who isn't exactly a big guy at about 255 pounds.

This guy is way overhyped and I would recommend you all hop off of this bandwagon ASAP. You just wait until he plays a legit 4-3 DE, he will get destroyed. He gets lucky and gets to play the lightweight defensive ends of the Pac-10. He faced a 3-4 DE and was absolutely demolished all night and he was a large reason why the USC offense did not get going all night against Ohio State.

If he faced Greg Hardy, Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham or Corey Wootton I highly doubt he would be nearly as good as Justin Cole makes him look. Hell I don't think Matt Barkley would survive a game if he face Jerry Hughes or Eric Norwood. This guy is the lightweight version of Winston Justice.

His strengths are his frame which is long, long arms, he has a nice kick step to beat the defensive end to the edge and he is very athletic. His ceiling is high, but he really needs to add some weight and he needs to get stronger, and he needs to learn some run blocking technique.

do you think okung is overated as well?...sure he's a lil bit heavier but 300 is far from ideal size esp. without a great frame...okung is a bit shorter and has shorter arms as well...both are excellent pass blockers, brown is better in the run game than you give him credit for, those ohio state d.e.'s are beastly in their own right...i think it was good for brown thou, now he knows he must get bigger and stronger for the next level.

Geo · 10-21-2009, 07:52 PM

Does Brown remind anyone else of Tony Ugoh?

Both guys great collegiate left tackles, well versed in pass blocking, agile, Brown looks like he has great arm length which Ugoh obviously does (36"; Polian loves arm length), and both guys a little light in the britches (Ugoh weighed 301 at the Combine) which probably effects their strength at the POA in run-blocking.

Although Ugoh is a very good run-blocker, the problem is the occassional mental errors in pass protection.

CashmoneyDrew · 10-21-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

He needs to come back for his senior year and get bigger and stronger. He's been real good in pass protection but both their tackles havent been great in the run game. He may be a borderline 1st if he comes out but more likely he's a 2nd rounder right now.

He's a senior.

Babylon · 10-22-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VoodooMonkey

He's a senior.

I get him mixed up with Butch Lewis, thanks you're right.

SenorGato · 10-22-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE

I doubt Brown weighs that little. I bet you he comes to the combine at 295+. The guy definitely looks bigger than 285 and he'll definitely be above that by the time the combine comes. He looks much thicker than D'Brickashaw and Brick came into the combine at over 300. I bet he weighs like 280 during the season though.

+1

That said, D'Brick was a better prospect. Way better prospect...

But yea, I don't think USC is lying about his height or weight, and he'll get it up in the offseason.

I like him as a developmental type...Joe Staley-esque I guess.

Ozzy · 10-22-2009, 11:43 AM

The other senior offensive tackles that are better than him will keep him out of the first round.

killxswitch · 10-22-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

You can't just add 25 solid pounds with a snap of a finger, and I think he's going to have to sit while he bulks up for at least a year.

Aaron Maybin did it.

hitstreak13 · 10-22-2009, 04:32 PM

He is overrated. I remember when we were at Diamond Ranch together, he was considered a god at TE. He was overhyped beyond belief in High School (even cost us a playoff berth one year with a personal foul). I was surprised when he signed with USC at that time, but the team was def. happy for him. I only recieved scholorships from Idaho and Idaho State so I rejected and followed my first love and played baseball at UCR.

Anyways, I doubt he is 285 like the website says. Brown does work really hard and do hope he goes within the top 3 rounds. He would be the first professional athlete in Diamond Ranch history.

wicket · 10-22-2009, 04:58 PM

imo he is the third guy on that line. o'dowd and their other tackle (forgot his name) are both better imo.

BRAVEHEART · 10-22-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wicket

imo he is the third guy on that line. o'dowd and their other tackle (forgot his name) are both better imo.

wrong, Butch got beat out by Tyron Smith, and Tyron has had an up and down season as of right now. Tyron (by the time he's a senior) will be one of the best OT's to come out of SC.

draftguru151 · 10-22-2009, 06:06 PM

Yea Brown is easily the best guy on that OL right now (and playing like the best OL in the country), the weight is an issue, but he's really athletic in pass protection as well as getting to the 2nd level and blocking in space, he's not a dominant run blocker but he gets after it in the run game, has pretty good technique and has really long arms.

And Tyron <3. Can't wait until he puts it all together.

Mr.Regular · 10-22-2009, 06:12 PM

I absolutely love Charles Brown. He's a stud in pass protection, hes quick, and has amazing feet. Obviously his run blocking is his weakness but that'll come with adding bulk (which I believe he is already doing, he looks bigger than 285 IMO). By the time the combine comes around I bet he bulks up to 300ish, and that combined with his elite pass protection skills should easily put him in round 1.