Darren McFadden getting a pass on criticism. - Page 6

Shiver · 08-31-2010, 03:20 PM

Amazing that Peterson was the one with durability concerns and yet it has been McFadden whose career has been ruined by them.

yourfavestoner · 08-31-2010, 03:42 PM

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I seem to remember it being 50-50. The injuries were a concern, but also people didn't like his tall upright running style. They loved Lynch's body type, his physicality and his pass catching. He was more of the "pro" back.

McFadden/Peterson was something too. Mel Kiper and everyone here had McFadden as the better pro prospect; then, Adrian Peterson got 296 yards against the Chargers and literally everyone rewrote their prognostications on Peterson. Then the next year everyone pretended that Peterson was the vastly superior prospect all along. BS.

I remember this, and I thought it was one of the more asinine collective opinions this board has ever had.

For whatever reason, this board can't differentiate between freak injuries and being injury prone. Beanie Wells caught the same "injury prone" rap as Peterson, when the only injury he suffered was a high ankle sprain that hampered him in his junior campaign. People on this board would lead you to believe that Fred Taylor is an ironman compared to those two coming out.

I was sold on Peterson five games into his freshman year at Oklahoma. Dude was leg pressing over 1000 lbs with one leg as an 18 year old kid. He's one of the few guys ever who could have made the jump straight to the NFL.

San Diego Chicken · 08-31-2010, 04:00 PM

One of my beefs with this forum is how users throw out the "Well, everyone liked this prospect! But I was the smart one and liked the other guy all along!"

Well, it's a message board, we have proof. Instead of just generally saying "everyone felt this way", link up some threads that actually confirm that "everyone felt that way".

And for the record, when you're comparing two draft prospects there's always going to be a minority (either large or big) that elevates the #2 or #3 consensus prospect and declares that he's better. It's just the nature of the game. Toonster (who I haven't seen in a while) was notorious for this.

Paranoidmoonduck · 08-31-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

Amazing that Peterson was the one with durability concerns and yet it has been McFadden whose career has been ruined by them.

It just shows what a crapshoot injury predictions are unless there's a sound medical reason.

Shiver · 08-31-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken

One of my beefs with this forum is how users throw out the "Well, everyone liked this prospect! But I was the smart one and liked the other guy all along!"

Well, it's a message board, we have proof. Instead of just generally saying "everyone felt this way", link up some threads that actually confirm that "everyone felt that way".

And for the record, when you're comparing two draft prospects there's always going to be a minority (either large or big) that elevates the #2 or #3 consensus prospect and declares that he's better. It's just the nature of the game. Toonster (who I haven't seen in a while) was notorious for this.

The draft forum only goes back to 2009. The NFL forum goes back to 2006.

yourfavestoner · 08-31-2010, 04:35 PM

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The draft forum only goes back to 2009. The NFL forum goes back to 2006.

Yeah, I could only find two old posts I made about McFadden, and they were both about how I thought Jonathan Stewart was better. And both of those were in the College Football thread. I wasn't really posting as much that in that 07-08 timeframe, though.

I want to read 2006 stuff with Moses telling anyone who would listen that Reggie Bush was Gale Sayers/Marshall Faulk combined into one prospect and was a sure-fire Hall of Famer.

I will say, though, that more people than I remembered thought McFadden was overrated as a prospect.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-31-2010, 04:39 PM

Man, I loved the hell out of DeAngelo Williams. I remember being so bummed out when the Panthers took about 6 seconds to pick him.

yourfavestoner · 08-31-2010, 04:40 PM

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Man, I loved the hell out of DeAngelo Williams. I remember being so bummed out when the Panthers took about 6 seconds to pick him.

ME TOOOOOOOOO. Gah, I had such a huge mancrush on him and Jonathan Stewart, and the Panthers got both of them.

Shiver · 08-31-2010, 04:57 PM

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden

There is your link. McFadden got just as much love as Adrian Peterson did. I like these threads because I was in the Peterson > McFadden > Bush camp. It wasn't a consensus, but the numbers were pretty evenly split.

Shiver · 08-31-2010, 04:59 PM

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Yeah, I could only find two old posts I made about McFadden, and they were both about how I thought Jonathan Stewart was better. And both of those were in the College Football thread. I wasn't really posting as much that in that 07-08 timeframe, though.

I want to read 2006 stuff with Moses telling anyone who would listen that Reggie Bush was Gale Sayers/Marshall Faulk combined into one prospect and was a sure-fire Hall of Famer.

I will say, though, that more people than I remembered thought McFadden was overrated as a prospect.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ri o+williams

Still not old enough. There are no records of the immediate, after the draft discussions. Argh. Those were classic.

San Diego Chicken · 08-31-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

The draft forum only goes back to 2009. The NFL forum goes back to 2006.

You can use Google sitesearch. I've found threads in the draft forum from 06.

CC.SD · 08-31-2010, 05:02 PM

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http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden

There is your link. McFadden got just as much love as Adrian Peterson did. I like these threads because I was in the Peterson > McFadden > Bush camp. It wasn't a consensus, but the numbers were pretty evenly split.

lol so glad I'm there on the first page calling McFadden a 'faster Deuce McCallister'. I swear I've been right about a lot of prospects, guys. Guys?

TitanHope · 08-31-2010, 05:07 PM

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lol so glad I'm there on the first page calling McFadden a 'faster Deuce McCallister'. I swear I've been right about a lot of prospects, guys. Guys?

ChargerCohen made that claim!

You shouldn't take credit for other people's work, CC.SD!

CAN'T FOOL ME! NOT THESE EYES! HAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Shiver · 08-31-2010, 05:08 PM

It's ok. I was dead wrong about Laurence Maroney. I liked him a lot.

CC.SD · 08-31-2010, 05:13 PM

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ChargerCohen made that claim!

You shouldn't take credit for other people's work, CC.SD!

CAN'T FOOL ME! NOT THESE EYES! HAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You can't prove any of these allegations TH!

K Train · 08-31-2010, 05:13 PM

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Hilarious! After most of this board had a raging boner for Marshawn Lynch (many, many, many had him over Peterson) that only the guy who joined in 2010 has him as one of his favorite "prospects." This thread has more revision than you can shake a stick at.
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honestly i forgot they were the same year, after so many years i just lump guys together on how much i liked/didnt like them as prospects vs what they are and how they did in the pros. hated revis, loved lynch....it happens. favorite prospect ever is still calvin johnson....i loved that man so much i refuse to compare other WRs to him as a prospect lol

anyway i never had lynch over peterson, but i loved lynch as a work horse and as a receiving back....it just looked so good at cal

Jvig43 · 08-31-2010, 05:24 PM

My favorite from those threads are the people claiming that DMC was better because he was going to be less injury prone on a pro level..... D'oh.

RaiderNation · 08-31-2010, 06:29 PM

If he doesnt produce this year, I expect him to get the same fate as JaMarcus and get cut

Paranoidmoonduck · 08-31-2010, 07:31 PM

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http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden

These links are embarrassing.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 08-31-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

I seem to remember it being 50-50. The injuries were a concern, but also people didn't like his tall upright running style. They loved Lynch's body type, his physicality and his pass catching. He was more of the "pro" back.

McFadden/Peterson was something too. Mel Kiper and everyone here had McFadden as the better pro prospect; then, Adrian Peterson got 296 yards against the Chargers and literally everyone rewrote their prognostications on Peterson. Then the next year everyone pretended that Peterson was the vastly superior prospect all along. BS.

I don't think it was quite 50-50, but the Lynch fans were really vocal about it to make it seem like there were more. It was pretty sizable, sizable enough to make us wear those boss "I remember Adrian Peterson" avatars. I always remembered Adrian Peterson and had him as my #1 player that year(right ahead of Jamarcus... lol). I did expect McFadden and Lynch to be better than they've been though.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 08-31-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...arren+mcfadden

There is your link. McFadden got just as much love as Adrian Peterson did. I like these threads because I was in the Peterson > McFadden > Bush camp. It wasn't a consensus, but the numbers were pretty evenly split.

Haha, great digging

*checks to make sure I actually was in the AD camp and wasn't misremembering things*

phew.

P.S.

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DG is closet a lot of things.

AHungryWalrus · 08-31-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

Yeah, I could only find two old posts I made about McFadden, and they were both about how I thought Jonathan Stewart was better. And both of those were in the College Football thread. I wasn't really posting as much that in that 07-08 timeframe, though.

I want to read 2006 stuff with Moses telling anyone who would listen that Reggie Bush was Gale Sayers/Marshall Faulk combined into one prospect and was a sure-fire Hall of Famer.

I will say, though, that more people than I remembered thought McFadden was overrated as a prospect.

Hahahaha, Moses made all Canadians looks bad.

AHungryWalrus · 08-31-2010, 09:20 PM

Holy poop, TOONSTER called McFadden a better prospect.

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My opinion hasn't really changed in that, I think, prospect value wise, McFadden's the best in recent memory. I like him better than Peterson. That said, there's a whole year of film to go through, so we'll see if anything changes my mind this year.

Ouch.

AD has given me erections since Palestine.

Paranoidmoonduck · 08-31-2010, 09:23 PM

To be fair (I have a vested interest, because I said the exact same thing in the first response of the first link), McFadden went earlier in his respective draft and while there was more dissenting opinion on McFadden, those who loved him had him rated very very high.

This all depends on whether you recognize the difference between prospect quality and prospect value. The latter is trying to figure out who is generally the better rated. That said, considering how much better Peterson has been, there's not much to defend there.

njx9 · 08-31-2010, 09:30 PM

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I want to read 2006 stuff with Moses telling anyone who would listen that Reggie Bush was Gale Sayers/Marshall Faulk combined into one prospect and was a sure-fire Hall of Famer.

or a certain other poster calling him the best running back of all time, pre-draft.

god i hated that draft year. not only did it suck listening to everyone hug bush's nuts, but then there were the legion vince fans, too.