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Old 09-29-2010, 11:19 PM    (permalink
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I think McFadden's recent success shows that his problem wasn't a thin lower body, it was having a thin lower body + not keeping his pad level down. In his game against the Rams where he put up 145 and was giving defenders real big shots when they took him down, Jon Lynch was commenting how high McFadden had run when he entered the league and that he looked completely different.

To be fair, McFadden still won't run through tons of tackles, but he's breaking more arm tackles and is cutting way better (that's probably more to do with having healthy legs rather than a pad level thing).

+1.

Seems like when a top RB prospect has struggles, people want to make it seem way worse than it is, like they are unfixable.

though, QBs, it's always the position they were put in.
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McFadden's just been doing what I hoped he'd do immediately upon arrival: picking a hole, staying low and making one big cut, and then accelerating. I was never expecting him to be the kind of player who juked defenders, that's not his game.

That said, his struggles the last two years haven't diminished his considerable talent. At this pace, he's going to have eclipsed his previous best in rushing yards by week 5. It's not like Oakland's offensive line is good (like...at all). They don't even have Gallery right now, who's the only guy even remotely capable of steam rolling defenders (unless the team wises up and moves Walker to guard).

He's capable of being such a good one-cut runner. Here's hoping he can stay healthy.
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Yea, he's a great player, I'd like to see him keep healthy too. I'd love to snag Michael Bush off you guys too, so lets do something with that.
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It's funny that McFadden looks like a skinny WR playing RB, his body just doesn't look right at RB.

Great start to the year for him, hope he can keep it up as the Raiders need all the help they can get!
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Health. That's still my biggest concern with him, not talent. If he's still going strong by week 8 I'll be impressed, hell I felt he could have been doing this as a rookie if he wasn't banged up so often. He's getting more carries and touches now, let's see if he can stay durable though at least half of a season.


I don't think he will stay healthy, and I bet when he does get banged up, or injured, someone will say it's a freak injury and he's not injury prone. I really like what he's done so far this season, but his lower body is still skinny and will lead to injuries.
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It's really not about his lower half being thin. Look at CJ or JCharles, proportionately similar to DM or really any of the successful taller angular backs. He's simply not strong or maby saying he doesn't run with leverage is more approp.-but he leaves alot of yards out there.
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You're contradicting yourself, because our offensive line, particularly our run blocking, is what is subpar. What McFadden has done so far this season is remarkable, and it's all a credit to him. I'm willing to bet that neither Michael Bush, Ahmad Bradshaw, or even Beanie Wells could outproduce him under similar circumstances. It doesn't take very long for his sublime talent to jump off the screen. The guy can do it ALL (and that even means lay out a nasty block from time to time).
I was under the impression that the one thing the Raiders line could do, was run block. In any case, I've seen a bit of DM this season and he looks more decisive and physical, obviously healthy, and getting a chance to show his speed at the second level. But as I see it, a shiftier back capable of breaking the first tackler or making him miss would be racking up even more yards.
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Yea I'd say Wells and Bradshaw are in top ten of most talented backs in the league.
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It's really not about his lower half being thin. Look at CJ or JCharles, proportionately similar to DM or really any of the successful taller angular backs. He's simply not strong or maby saying he doesn't run with leverage is more approp.-but he leaves alot of yards out there.

I was under the impression that the one thing the Raiders line could do, was run block. In any case, I've seen a bit of DM this season and he looks more decisive and physical, obviously healthy, and getting a chance to show his speed at the second level. But as I see it, a shiftier back capable of breaking the first tackler or making him miss would be racking up even more yards.

Yea I'd say Wells and Bradshaw are in top ten of most talented backs in the league.
Stephen Jackson
Adrian Peterson
Chris Johnson

MJD
Ray Rice
Frank Gore
Jamal Charles
DeAngelo Williams
Reshard Mendenhall
Ricky Williams

There's 10 backs better than Beanie for sure and better than Ahmad as well, although Ahmad is around this area and could conceivably surpass some of those guys this year as he has a lot of MJD in him, without quite so much deep speed.

If you want me to keep going though Jonathon Stewart, Fred Jackson, Run DMC, Michael Turner, Felix Jones and Cedric Benson are guys I'd take before Beanie for now and each of them has somewhat of a case on Ahmad as well.

And I'm a giants fan who loves watching Ahmad run, he's so insanely tough to take down because he runs low, he runs super hard and he really bounces off of tacklers. His biggest problem is he'll fight for that extra yard every time, which means there will be times were he's being held up and instead of going down he'll be trying to push his way forward so that other defenders can run up and strip the ball. So I'm not going to say Ahmad isn't a stud, but he's not clearly a top 10 RB at this point.
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Really???

Adrian Peterson
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Fred Jackson
Michael Turner
Jamaal Charles
Thomas Jones
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Jonathon Stewart
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Felix Jones
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Those are in no order and im not specifically saying all are better and/or more talented than Beanie or Bradshaw but I could comfortably pick at least 10 who I would be happy to definitively say are
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Pulled a hammy :( Still tied for 3rd in the league in rushing. Hopefully he can bounce back
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Adrian Peterson
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Those are in no order and im not specifically saying all are better and/or more talented than Beanie or Bradshaw but I could comfortably pick at least 10 who I would be happy to definitively say are
Really? I don't know about that.
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Ricky Williams definitely and Fred Jackson over Beanie but not Ahmad.
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Health. That's still my biggest concern with him, not talent. If he's still going strong by week 8 I'll be impressed, let's see if he can stay durable though at least half of a season.


I don't think he will stay healthy, and I bet when he does get banged up, or injured, someone will say it's a freak injury and he's not injury prone. I really like what he's done so far this season, but his lower body is still skinny and will lead to injuries.

Well, he couldn't even make it 8 games into the season, looks like he'll miss another game and I guarantee when he does return it'll be another nagging injury that follows.


I think he's shown he has the talent to play, but you can't expect to play RB if your going to be on the shelf every handful of games.
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Even with D-mac back from injury I think Bush gets more carries.
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Yup, we just seem to not like giving him the ball or that we are so far behind we cant run the ball.

I expect Bush to get the bulk of the carries this Sunday, even though DMC is expected to play. Bush with around 15 carries and DMC around 10 sounds fine with me. Plus DMC in the passing game is deadly
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How good of a game this this guy have yesterday! That run where he shot out the stiff arm and took it to the house. Great play. Happy to see he's doing well. Sometimes it just takes guys a little longer to come around.
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Obviously, he's all the elite talent, he was touted to be. Problem will just be staying healthy. Sky is the limit.

Showing why I would have traded Dallas' whole draft for him a few years ago. lol.
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That one 57-yard run was the first time I saw McFadden look just like he did at Arkansas. One little cut behind the line then he just strode through that defense with a few route adjustments and a good stiff arm.

The real news with McFadden this year has been his pad level (he's running through tackles and making defenders pay for sitting in his way) and his agility. He made a lot of defenders miss yesterday, more than he probably made miss his entire first two years in the NFL.

Also, he's 2nd in the NFL in RYPG right now. Yeah.

edit - In case anyone hasn't seen it: http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-ra...den-highlights
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I'd still rather take Jenkins and Felix over him(even though I wanted CJ bad as ever) but we would have been in shambles not picking up an elite corner that year. It would have made sense if we didn't have any other immediate needs at the time but CB was one of them because Anthony Henry was garbage truck juice and Newman was/is always getting hurt.


I think DMac can be one of the best in the league, but I'd make a bet with anyone here he missed multiple games from this point on for one thing or another. But exciting part is he looks worth that pick, and like he belongs as a true RB.


Bush has never looked the part of an elite RB, just a great skill player and effective if used properly, McFadden can be a dominant actual RB and his skills translated pretty good.
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I'd still rather take Jenkins and Felix over him(even though I wanted CJ bad as ever) but we would have been in shambles not picking up an elite corner that year. It would have made sense if we didn't have any other immediate needs at the time but CB was one of them because Anthony Henry was garbage truck juice and Newman was/is always getting hurt.


I think DMac can be one of the best in the league, but I'd make a bet with anyone here he missed multiple games from this point on for one thing or another.
Well...I knew trading for D-MAC was a fantasy, we didnt have the fire power to make that move. I'm sure you remember me screaming for both Felix and Jenkins leading up to the draft. So, it worked out ideally for me anyway. I liked CJ, just didnt think he'd end up like so. lol. I didnt prefer his game to Jones' at all. But yeah, I was ecstatic at how things played out. I didnt hate the Bennett pick in round 2, but felt we could have def. went elsewhere. Pretty much the standard opinion on that pick. That was a fantastic draft, though.
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Ya my boy DMC is the real deal. So happy with what I saw yesterday from him and the whole team. Stay healthy, and you will be a top 5 RB in this league for awhile. He turned 23 in August.... this guy has alot of years left
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I wonder how our rush D will stack up against McFadden. Dude is a straight beast. I'm worried about playing him.

Not to mention the fact that we get to play him twice a year for at least the next 5-7 years. Hooray. ;)
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I agree to some degree, but Bush is a bit underrated because few people have seen his good games. He's not explosive like McFadden, but he's very agile for his size, is a great receiver, very powerful inside runner, gives an amazing second effort after contact, and is a great blocker in the backfield. He's like a poor man's Steven Jackson in a lot of ways. If McFadden had never managed to make it on the field consistently, I would have had no issue with Bush being Oakland's top runner.

If he makes it to the free agency market after this year, he should be a hot commodity.
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Well...I knew trading for D-MAC was a fantasy, we didnt have the fire power to make that move. I'm sure you remember me screaming for both Felix and Jenkins leading up to the draft. So, it worked out ideally for me anyway. I liked CJ, just didnt think he'd end up like so. lol. I didnt prefer his game to Jones' at all. But yeah, I was ecstatic at how things played out. I didnt hate the Bennett pick in round 2, but felt we could have def. went elsewhere. Pretty much the standard opinion on that pick. That was a fantastic draft, though.


Well, two 1st and a 2nd would have been easily enough right? Had we known we would have gotten Bennett in the 2nd I'da been up for it but that's purely hindsight especially considering if we did it we would have been talking about guys like Desean Jackson and Jamaal Charles going in that range.


I felt he would be good, but did I think he would be just on another level, or tier above Felix, Chris Johnson, and Jamaal Charles? And enough to miss out on Brandon Flowers or Mike Jenkins? That was the big thing. I'm sure we could have made it work, but considering how unhealthy DMac has been his entire career, and how bad of shape we would have been in by missing out a CB it would have been a huge disaster.
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Oh how i wish we would have taken Jamaal Charles instead of Felix Jones. *sighs*
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