10/29/09 - Tennessee Turmoil

Scott Wright · 10-29-2009, 09:12 PM

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Tennessee Turmoil
http://www.draftcountdown.com/blog/a...2009.php#oct29

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VoodooMonkey · 10-29-2009, 10:06 PM

I think one of the main things that has caught up to the Titans is poor drafting in recent years. Especially when Floyd Reese was still here.
-Andre Woolfolk
-Ben Troupe
-Pacman Jones
-Vince Young
-Chris Henry
-Rich Gardner
-Brandon Jones
-Roydell Williams
-Michael Waddell
-Chris Davis
-Paul Williams
-Calvin Lowry
-Shad Meir
-Bo Schobel
-Travis LaBoy
-Tank Williams
-Rocky Calmus
-Rocky Boiman
-Mike Echols
-Tyrone Calico
-Chris Brown
-Randy Starks
-Courtney Robey
-Terna Nande
-Antonio Johnson
-Craig Stevens
-Lavelle Hawkins

I mean, I know every team is gonna strike out some, but these are just names from 2002-2008. And they're mostly 1st through 4th rounders with a couple of 5th rounders sprinkled in. But the amount of misses this team has had recently has really caught up with them IMO.

SuperKevin · 10-30-2009, 12:23 AM

That isn't even a good UFL team right there

DoughBoy · 10-30-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VoodooMonkey

I think one of the main things that has caught up to the Titans is poor drafting in recent years. Especially when Floyd Reese was still here.
-Andre Woolfolk
-Ben Troupe
-Pacman Jones
-Vince Young
-Chris Henry
-Rich Gardner
-Brandon Jones
-Roydell Williams
-Michael Waddell
-Chris Davis
-Paul Williams
-Calvin Lowry
-Shad Meir
-Bo Schobel
-Travis LaBoy
-Tank Williams
-Rocky Calmus
-Rocky Boiman
-Mike Echols
-Tyrone Calico
-Chris Brown
-Randy Starks
-Courtney Robey
-Terna Nande
-Antonio Johnson
-Craig Stevens
-Lavelle Hawkins

I mean, I know every team is gonna strike out some, but these are just names from 2002-2008. And they're mostly 1st through 4th rounders with a couple of 5th rounders sprinkled in. But the amount of misses this team has had recently has really caught up with them IMO.

Ughhh, atleast we got a years worth of production out of some of those guys, but that is terrible. People say we cant draft wideouts but we suck just as much at drafting corners ...we got lucky with Finnegan.

Iamcanadian · 10-30-2009, 01:08 AM

I predicted 2 things for Tennessee this year.

1) They would never repeat as a playoff team. Their SOS last year was the weakest in pro football and that is why they made the playoffs so I'm not stunned at all by their demise.
2) I also predicted VY would be their starting QB by mid season. Collins is a bum who benefited from a weak schedule but has never been a consistent NFL QB and teams without a franchise QB almost never repeat as playoff teams so I'm shocked that everybody is surprised by their fall.

TitanHope · 10-30-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I predicted 2 things for Tennessee this year.

1) They would never repeat as a playoff team. Their SOS last year was the weakest in pro football and that is why they made the playoffs so I'm not stunned at all by their demise.
2) I also predicted VY would be their starting QB by mid season. Collins is a bum who benefited from a weak schedule but has never been a consistent NFL QB and teams without a franchise QB almost never repeat as playoff teams so I'm shocked that everybody is surprised by their fall.

They Titans finished the '08-'09 season with the 26th most difficult SOS in the league, not the 32nd.

Flyboy · 10-30-2009, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperKevin

That isn't even a good UFL team right there

LOL, ouch.

VoodooMonkey · 10-30-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

LOL, ouch.

It's true. And Floyd Reese's wife has the audacity to put this on Jeff Fisher when her husband left us with these players in bold from this list.......

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Originally Posted by VoodooMonkey

I think one of the main things that has caught up to the Titans is poor drafting in recent years. Especially when Floyd Reese was still here.
-Andre Woolfolk
-Ben Troupe
-Pacman Jones
-Vince Young
-Chris Henry
-Rich Gardner
-Brandon Jones
-Roydell Williams
-Michael Waddell
-Chris Davis
-Paul Williams
-Calvin Lowry
-Shad Meir
-Bo Schobel
-Travis LaBoy
-Tank Williams
-Rocky Calmus
-Rocky Boiman
-Mike Echols
-Tyrone Calico
-Chris Brown
-Randy Starks
-Courtney Robey
-Terna Nande
-Antonio Johnson
-Craig Stevens
-Lavelle Hawkins

I mean, I know every team is gonna strike out some, but these are just names from 2002-2008. And they're mostly 1st through 4th rounders with a couple of 5th rounders sprinkled in. But the amount of misses this team has had recently has really caught up with them IMO.

D-Unit · 10-30-2009, 12:32 PM

Gonna be nice to have Fisher coaching the Cowboys next year.

DoughBoy · 10-30-2009, 12:49 PM

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Gonna be nice to have Fisher coaching the Cowboys next year.

Knowing Fish, I doubt he wants any part of a hands on owner. But, if the money was good enough......

D-Unit · 10-30-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DoughBoy

Knowing Fish, I doubt he wants any part of a hands on owner. But, if the money was good enough......

Money won't be just good enough... It'll be overwhelmingly too much.

Fish is great because he let's the owner have the final say without much of a fuss.

VoodooMonkey · 10-31-2009, 12:25 AM

Jeff Fisher is not leaving the Titans after this season. Bud Adams is too cheap to fire him and hire a new guy. The only way he leaves is if he just gets tired of Bud and quits and then why would he leave to go to an even more hands-on owner in Jerry Jones?

TitanHope · 10-31-2009, 03:23 AM

Bud Adams really isn't all that hands on either. Aside from VY, Bud lets Jeff Fisher, Mike Reinfeldt, and Steve Underwood make the organizational decisions. Now, he has final say if he feels the urge to voice his opinion, as he's the Owner, President, and CEO, but he rarely does that. Jeff Fisher isn't a push over, and has been telling Adams that Collins gives his team the best chance to win. But at this point, Fisher has little leverage to make a case for Collins over Young. It's less of a power play, and more of a leverage play - Fish can't argue the case that Collins won 13 games last season when this season he's led to 0 wins.

And Voodoo's right about the likelihood of Fisher being fired. Adams would have to pay Fish $14-million to fire him, and then shell out the money for a new head coach. Not to mention, it's not like it'd be an upgrade at HC. Plus, I think Adams saying he wants VY to start is a vouch of confidence in Fish. If he thought it may be time to let go of Fisher, he'd allow Fisher to make his own decisions to try and save his job. There's a lot of respect between owner and head coach. Adams wouldn't force Fish to start Young when Fisher's job is on the line. That just wouldn't be fair to a guy who's "on the hot seat."

Iamcanadian · 11-01-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope

They Titans finished the '08-'09 season with the 26th most difficult SOS in the league, not the 32nd.

While this is true, they played their 2 toughest opponents in their final 2 games after they had sowed up their playoff position. That moved the SOS from 32 to 26 after it didn't matter anymore. Like most teams that make it on a weak SOS whether 32 or 26, they were a one an out team against a team with a rookie QB.

This year their SOS is currently .553 which goes a long way toward their 0-6 record. They aren't facing a large # of pushovers early this season.

Iamcanadian · 11-01-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope

Bud Adams really isn't all that hands on either. Aside from VY, Bud lets Jeff Fisher, Mike Reinfeldt, and Steve Underwood make the organizational decisions. Now, he has final say if he feels the urge to voice his opinion, as he's the Owner, President, and CEO, but he rarely does that. Jeff Fisher isn't a push over, and has been telling Adams that Collins gives his team the best chance to win. But at this point, Fisher has little leverage to make a case for Collins over Young. It's less of a power play, and more of a leverage play - Fish can't argue the case that Collins won 13 games last season when this season he's led to 0 wins.

And Voodoo's right about the likelihood of Fisher being fired. Adams would have to pay Fish $14-million to fire him, and then shell out the money for a new head coach. Not to mention, it's not like it'd be an upgrade at HC. Plus, I think Adams saying he wants VY to start is a vouch of confidence in Fish. If he thought it may be time to let go of Fisher, he'd allow Fisher to make his own decisions to try and save his job. There's a lot of respect between owner and head coach. Adams wouldn't force Fish to start Young when Fisher's job is on the line. That just wouldn't be fair to a guy who's "on the hot seat."

I agree that Adams isn't likely to pay off Fisher and his 14 million dollar contract. Tennessee is a low revenue franchise so they are likely to stick with Fisher for awhile even if Fisher doesn't like an unorthodox QB as his starter.

DoughBoy · 11-01-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

While this is true, they played their 2 toughest opponents in their final 2 games after they had sowed up their playoff position. That moved the SOS from 32 to 26 after it didn't matter anymore. Like most teams that make it on a weak SOS whether 32 or 26, they were a one an out team against a team with a rookie QB.

This year their SOS is currently .553 which goes a long way toward their 0-6 record. They aren't facing a large # of pushovers early this season.

Well the Pittsburgh game determined who got homefield in the playoffs so it did matter. You are correct about the Colts game.

Iamcanadian · 11-01-2009, 12:25 AM

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Well the Pittsburgh game determined who got homefield in the playoffs so it did matter. You are correct about the Colts game.

By the time they played Pittsburgh even though they had played a weak SOS, they were riding high on their record and were a good match for any team emotionally, but in the end, their lack of talent caught up them eventually and resulted in a quick exist from the playoffs even with home field advantage.

DoughBoy · 11-01-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

By the time they played Pittsburgh even though they had played a weak SOS, they were riding high on their record and were a good match for any team emotionally, but in the end, their lack of talent caught up them eventually and resulted in a quick exist from the playoffs even with home field advantage.

Dude no bad team goes 13-3 because they are lacking talent . We were a well coached,TALENTED, healthy team last year and by know means overrated.

VoodooMonkey · 11-01-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

By the time they played Pittsburgh even though they had played a weak SOS, they were riding high on their record and were a good match for any team emotionally, but in the end, their lack of talent caught up them eventually and resulted in a quick exist from the playoffs even with home field advantage.

I really don't understand why you can't give the Titans some credit for the 08 season. In the end Tennessee beat the teams that were put on their schedule, and in the NFL that's not the easiest task to do. Who knows, if it hadn't been for Chris Johnson's injury against the Ravens in that playoff game, we might be asking if a Super Bowl champion has ever had a bigger fall-off than the Titans.
Just face it. The Titans didn't drop-off this badly because of strength of schedule. They fell off because they lost their best defensive player. They lost a very good defensive coordinator and gave the opening to a buffoon. They haven't been able to escape the injury bug like they did last season, and their remaining defensive players got old and exposed.

DoughBoy · 11-01-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

I agree that Adams isn't likely to pay off Fisher and his 14 million dollar contract. Tennessee is a low revenue franchise so they are likely to stick with Fisher for awhile even if Fisher doesn't like an unorthodox QB as his starter.

This little comment grinds my gears also. We have sold out everygame for 11 years and are very popular with many fans in the surrounding states without pro football teams (alabama,kentucky,arkansas,virginia). Bud Adams is cheap but that doesn't mean he is lacking the funds to pull it off.

VoodooMonkey · 11-01-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DoughBoy

This little comment grinds my gears also. We have sold out everygame for 11 years and are popular with many fans in the surrounding states without pro football teams (alabama,kentucky,arkansas,virginia). Bud Adams is cheap but that doesn't mean he is lacking the funds to pull it off.

Including preseason I believe!

DoughBoy · 11-01-2009, 12:47 AM

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Including preseason I believe!

Yeah, I also think all the games for the season (prior to the recession) were sold out in under 15 minutes after tickets went on sale.

Scott Wright · 11-01-2009, 12:48 AM

Saw something interesting in Bill Simmons new column today:

Apparently Jeff Fisher has only had six winning seasons in sixteen years as the Oilers / Titans coach. That blew my mind. Did anyone else realize this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...flpicks/091031

VoodooMonkey · 11-01-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Wright

Saw something interesting in Bill Simmons new column today:

Apparently Jeff Fisher has only had six winning seasons in sixteen years as the Oilers / Titans coach. That blew my mind. Did anyone else realize this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...flpicks/091031

He's had a lot of 8-8 years so that's kind of misleading. But think about it. He's had many young and inexperienced teams. And to be honest, I can probably only recall two seasons counting this one since the Titans have been in Tennessee that they've really underachieved and both of those seasons can have a lot of reasons attributed to the underachieving that Fisher can't control.

DoughBoy · 11-01-2009, 12:56 AM

He worked magic with those 8-8 seasons though. He did a great job in transitioning the Oilers to Nashville.