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Old 11-30-2010, 01:31 PM    (permalink
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To be fair Prince was just on fire that game. Gallo made him take tough shots all game with a hand in his face and Prince was still draining them. This team just needs time and a true 3 pt specialist who can drain open 3s cold, we don't have that guy, all of our guys are rhythm shooters who need to get on a roll to drain open 3s, that's why we're not seeing Gallo drive as much as we should be having him.
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I'm warming up to Fields. I like him more as a bench guy though, not a starter.

We have a team with one star and a bunch of good role players. We're 1 player away from being a very good team.

The problem I have with getting Melo is I question how effective our team will be with 2 stars in the front court, especially considering both are somewhat of a liability on the defensive end.

The winning formula is usually 1 inside guy, 1 outside guy. In terms of chemistry, we're actually better off going after Chris Paul but I know that's not realistic.

I honestly hope we don't trade for Melo, but instead wait until he's a FA and just sign him. That allows us to shop Gallo for a backcourt piece to the puzzle.

Of course, if the only way of getting Melo is by trading for them, then we have to do it. As much as I question the chemistry of the move, when you get a chance to get a player like Melo, you go for it. You can always move him in the future for perhaps a star backcourt player later on. You can't trade chips until you get em.
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I'd be crazy enough to get Melo, then trade him for Chris Paul/Deron Williams, but I know a trade like that is unrealistic.
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Fields is one of my favorite Knicks right now. Gallo, Fields, Amare and Turiaf are my 4 favs right now. Amare's powerful ogre of a man and the other 3 are so smart and do such a great job of doing whatever they can to help. I think if we could pull of something like Felton, AR/Chandler + picks for Chris Paul we'd be a team that could beat anyone.
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For me, its

1. Amare
2. Felton
3. Chandler
4. Turiaf
5. Fields

Sometimes I feel like we underrate Felton. He's no Chris Paul, but the guy is pretty decent, and he is developing chemistry with Amare. I'd move him in a heartbeat if it meant getting Paul, but realistically, I won't lose any sleep over having Felton as our PG. He's not bad at all.

As crazy as it sounds, the Knicks initial plan of getting Joe Johnson with Amare wasn't so crazy after all. We need a shooter at SG, and he was it. Plus we still would have enough to get Melo.

PG: Felton
SG: Joe Johnson
C: Turiaf etc
PF: Amare
SF: Melo

When you look at that lineup, it's actually pretty damn good. Bc everyone would know their role. Melo would be the unquestionable #1, Amare would be the unquestionable #2, Johnson the #3, and Felton would dish it out to all of em.

Plus we would keep a healthy bench.

Just the thought of giving Joe Johnson 100 million bucks would drive me nuts though. But in hindsight, it wasn't so crazy after all.
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Felton is doing a pretty good job. I think one more thing they could use is a good passing center. That way, after he gets the rebound, he can pass it out to start fastbreaks.
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aka we need a healthy Turiaf.

My issue with Felton is that he starts pressing and gets sloppy, plus he's another streaky shooter on a team full of streaky shooters.
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Hard to find a good center. You guys lucked up with Noah. He wanted to be a Knick too, he was from the area.

Oh well, what can ya do.

I'm hoping we can develop Anthony Randolph into a shot blocker/rebounding Center/PF guy to compliment Amare. Maybe he can be our new Marcus Camby.

It's gonna take time and patience, but he is young, so who knows.
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I don't see AR having the mentally toughness to play center. He's more of a forward anyway since it's his quickness that makes him a special prospect. Personally I think having Turiaf teach Mozzie is a good set up. Moz has great potential, a nice stroke and good work ethic. If Turiaf can teach him to pass and stay out of foul trouble we've got our Center OTF.
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Randolph is young. Give him time. He's already a good rebounder and he has the length to be a good shot blocker.

At the very least I'm hoping he can provide quality defense off the bench in time.

But right now he's just way too raw to see any time. He's pretty terrible right now.


I like our Center by committee approach right now.
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Yeah, I'm content with our front court right now. All we need is a real 3 point sniper, *crosses fingers on buike*. I think that'll help dougie as the backup point to. Cause that kid's confidence is shot and him taking so many 3s isn't helping. Maybe with Buike there he'll feel less pressure to launch up 3s and get his midrange game going again, which hopefully would get his confidence back up which would get him back to being really hounding on D and be more of a point guard than shooting guard on O.
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Amare is really beasting it lately. I think he's finally found his groove with our team.

I'm diggin it. We should be a playoff team this year. I'm excited.
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Yep. Dude is a stud. He and Felton are pretty much money so far. A lot of people thought Amar'e needed Nash to survive but clearly that's not even remotely close to being true. The scary thing is Amar'e looks better on the defensive end too. He'll never be elite but when he's not in foul trouble he's pretty aggressive and has been blocking the crap out of everything this year.

Great win on the road against a good Hornets team though.
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Yep. Dude is a stud. He and Felton are pretty much money so far. A lot of people thought Amar'e needed Nash to survive but clearly that's not even remotely close to being true. The scary thing is Amar'e looks better on the defensive end too. He'll never be elite but when he's not in foul trouble he's pretty aggressive and has been blocking the crap out of everything this year.

Great win on the road against a good Hornets team though.
I still think he's better than Bosh. I love his improvement on the defensive end. He's still a work in progress there, but you gotta love the improvement.

We're a good team. It's been sooooo long since I could say that.
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Yeah. I like Amar'e a lot more than Bosh of a number of reasons. Maybe it's just because I love super athletic players like Amar'e, haha.

It's so strange watching them be good now. They go up in games on the road and at home and I keep waiting for them blow it. I guess that's what happens when you grow up watching a pretty bad Knicks teams your entire life.
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Yeah. I like Amar'e a lot more than Bosh of a number of reasons. Maybe it's just because I love super athletic players like Amar'e, haha.

It's so strange watching them be good now. They go up in games on the road and at home and I keep waiting for them blow it. I guess that's what happens when you grow up watching a pretty bad Knicks teams your entire life.
I remember the 90s Knicks. I grew up with them. Growing up, I lived on basketball, I loved it so much, I'd play in the rain, play for hours after school, just shoot around for hours by myself, I'd walk to school while dribbling a basketball I just loved the game. And the 90s Knicks represented everything I loved about basketball.

The toughness, the heart, the passion, aaaah memories. I just wish we could have won 1 for Pat </3

That 99 Knick team, I'll never forget em. Next to the 2007 Giants, that is probably my favorite professional sports team of all time. I still love Sprewell.

The 4 point play <3. Larry Johnson. Allan Houston's game winner vs the Heat. Sprewell fighting his ass off in game 5 of the finals matching Duncan toe for toe every drive to keep us in the game.

How they fought for every rebound, how the entire area was shut down when the Knicks were on in the playoffs. The Garden. The atmosphere. The papers and all the articles. The rivalries.

I just wish we could get Knick basketball to be like that again. There's nothing like Knick basketball. We've had championships with the Yankees, with the Giants, we've seen the Jets do well lately, we've seen the Mets do well back in 2001, but nothing, NOTHING, compares to when the Knicks are fighting for a title.

Nothing.
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I can only imagine. I didn't start liking basketball (watching it, that is) until 6-7 years ago, so I've basically only seen bad Knicks teams. I've heard a lot of people say what you've said too; that Knicks basketball was pretty much took over the town, ala the mid-80's Mets team. It'd be strange for me to see, since the Knicks talk has pretty much been non-existent for the past decade.

It's exciting though.
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It's exciting though.
You missed the best era of basketball. The Knicks/Bulls rivalry was legendary. I still hate Jordan. If I see Jordan on the streets, I'd still boo him. Everyone wants to love the guy now. **** him. **** Jordan.

Ewing, Starks, Oakley, Anthony Mason, Derek Harper, later on with Houston, Sprewell, Camby, LJ, I just loved the Knicks.

We were different kinds of Knick fans back then. If we ever get back to that point, you'll see how it was being a Knicks fan. That's why its such a shame to see what has happened to the Knicks the past decade.

Id recommend you see the espn 30 for 30 on Reggie Miller vs the Knicks, or check this clip out.

It kind of gives you a glimpse of what Knick basketball used to be.

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The Oak-man was one of my favorites.

I cannot ******* wait for playoffs. A meaningful pro basketball game... omg.
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I'm diggin it. We should be a playoff team this year. I'm excited.
Noooo! That makes me a sad panda. Rockets have the rights to swap 1st round picks in next year's draft and its the same year you all decide to look good. Oh well. We are sucking this year so a lotto pick looks likely anyway.
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Ha, it was the 99 Knicks that actually sold me on Basketball. I grew up in Chicago and everyone loved Jordan and the Bulls, well being the angry foreign kid I wasn't going to have any of that ish, still root for the Cardinals whenever I'm around Cubs fans but that's just cause Baseball is beyond boring for me. I'm with you BBD, I loved the old Knicks that watched in the late 90's and I loved their toughness and team work on D. But that's also why I love Mike D's fit with Amare, Felts, Fields, Turiaf and Gallo. That's a tough group of guys who'll play hard and with great teamwork on both ends of the court.
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13-9....Haven't been this excited about the Knicks in a long time.
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Big 2 weeks for this team. We'll know what this team is made of in the next 2 weeks.

I'm hoping we can keep pace and establish the 5 seed.
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It's still a real tough run for a young team coming together.
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Melo is going to be a Knick. I can ******* taste it.

I can't wait. Trade Gallo, Fields and a 1st to get him. Hell, you can probably lowball them and offer Gallo and a 1st and they have no choice but to take it.

And this Knick team is good already. I can't wait. Amare Stoudemire is a ******* boss.

I think we need a backup PG though. After getting Melo, we won't have to play Stoudemire for so many minutes anymore, but we need a backup PG to spell Felton.

Felton and Amare are playing waaaay too many minutes right now.
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