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Old 11-09-2009, 02:03 AM    (permalink
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NEW YORK -- Tony Dungy says Michael Vick could potentially wind up in Buffalo, which he says previously discussed signing the quarterback.

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That was a cool nike commercial at the time....actually is still is pretty good.
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I thought buffalo wanted to start winning games.
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I thought buffalo wanted to start winning games.
I think Vick's biggest contribution to the team would be pushing Edwards to forget about his concussion and stop checking down. The kid was looking like such a nice young quarterback before that concussion, I know he can still be a good QB, the question is how to get there and it might be easier just to start with a new guy but I think someone like Vick and the circus he would bring would really take the pressure off of Trent and let him get used to being a quarterback again.
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:14 AM    (permalink
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I think Vick's biggest contribution to the team would be pushing Edwards to forget about his concussion and stop checking down. The kid was looking like such a nice young quarterback before that concussion, I know he can still be a good QB, the question is how to get there and it might be easier just to start with a new guy but I think someone like Vick and the circus he would bring would really take the pressure off of Trent and let him get used to being a quarterback again.
The Bills are weak from coach to assistants to personnel on both sides of the ball. IMO they need to be gutted and rebuilt, there's a decent nucleus at certain positions to build around, they just need a better coach and some better players at other positions.

Edwards needs coaching at this point imo, not really a veteran who isn't a good passer to "push" him. I think having Vick there would do something of stunting his development.
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Why does anyone care about Mike Vick anymore? He's done diddley poo in Philly
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The Bills are weak from coach to assistants to personnel on both sides of the ball. IMO they need to be gutted and rebuilt, there's a decent nucleus at certain positions to build around, they just need a better coach and some better players at other positions.

Edwards needs coaching at this point imo, not really a veteran who isn't a good passer to "push" him. I think having Vick there would do something of stunting his development.
I think the DC Fewell and ST April (not doing to good this year though) are the only good coaches on the team, might throw in Bob Sanders too the DL coach.

You also need to add in everyone on the team gets hurt every year too. We are always the top team in guys on IR.
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I think Dungy has gone subtly insane, and no one has realized it.
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Uggh. They put him in on designed runs up the middle, or to throw the ball once every two games or so. Then when he isn't in a rhythm for OBVIOUS reasons, people say he isn't doing anything.

I'm not saying Vick is going to be great, but it's not like Philly has put him in any position to actually succeed when he goes in. For us to truly get any look of how he is, he would need to get 10-15 snaps a game in normal packages, which the eagles won't do.

I've never understood how people who like football enough to sign up on a forum, apparently STILL know nothing when it comes to football. It boggles my mind.
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Uggh. They put him in on designed runs up the middle, or to throw the ball once every two games or so. Then when he isn't in a rhythm for OBVIOUS reasons, people say he isn't doing anything.

I'm not saying Vick is going to be great, but it's not like Philly has put him in any position to actually succeed when he goes in. For us to truly get any look of how he is, he would need to get 10-15 snaps a game in normal packages, which the eagles won't do.

I've never understood how people who like football enough to sign up on a forum, apparently STILL know nothing when it comes to football. It boggles my mind.
UGGH. I wonder WHY Vick doesn't get 10-15 snaps a game with normal packages. Cuz you know he's good enough to get those snaps but there is some huge conspiracy against him. Must be it. I mean when I say he hasn't done anything I MUST be talking about his on field play as oppose to you know actually forcing the issue and doing things that would wanna make the team want to put him on the field more.
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I don't think he will make any team better. Actually, maybe the Browns.
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UGGH. I wonder WHY Vick doesn't get 10-15 snaps a game with normal packages. Cuz you know he's good enough to get those snaps but there is some huge conspiracy against him. Must be it. I mean when I say he hasn't done anything I MUST be talking about his on field play as oppose to you know actually forcing the issue and doing things that would wanna make the team want to put him on the field more.
Where did I say there was any conspiracy? He is playing behind a top 10 QB, and he is in his first year back. OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to give Vick many snaps at all. That would be ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as trying to make any judgement on Vick based on how he's played so far in packages that aren't conducive to his success.

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Where did I say there was any conspiracy? He is playing behind a top 10 QB, and he is in his first year back. OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to give Vick many snaps at all. That would be ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as trying to make any judgement on Vick based on how he's played so far in packages that aren't conducive to his success.

I love how people with no argument create random banter to try and simply change the subject.
Firstly then what I said was true then wasn't it? He hasn't done anything has he? Not to mention he wasn't that good BEFORE he went to jail. So, what gives you any faith at all that he is going to be any good now?
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considering that lack of decent free agent qbs this upcoming offseason he could be move valued than most people think. with penningtons age and injury concerns hes almost as much a risk as vick and vick obviously has more upside. the only other decent options out there are campbell and culpepper. campbell is the only one that will require a decent contract.

based on the skins situation on the offensive line, a mobile qb like vick would be better off than a strictly pocket passer and would allow the team to focus on drafting olineman this year.
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Where did I say there was any conspiracy? He is playing behind a top 10 QB, and he is in his first year back. OBVIOUSLY they aren't going to give Vick many snaps at all. That would be ridiculous.

Almost as ridiculous as trying to make any judgement on Vick based on how he's played so far in packages that aren't conducive to his success.

I love how people with no argument create random banter to try and simply change the subject.
I'm sorry I didn't fully address your point. You didn't say it was a conspiracy But what you are saying is that they are putting him out there in situations that are not geared towards him having any success then why put him out there in the first place AND why not put him in a situation for him to do anything. Which makes me conclude he hasn't done anything in practice or during a game which is why I made my first statement. He also didn't play when this 'Top 10 QB' was injured just saying. Maybe we can't judge on what he did this season but he was never that great to begin with.
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Good luck with that. I love how Vick hints at the fact that he should be getting more touches, but has done absolutely nothing to show why he deserves it. I actually think the eagles feel obligated to give him a couple snaps a game, even though snapping it directly to DeSean Jackson would both be more effective and scarier to opposing defenses.
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I think Vick's biggest contribution to the team would be pushing Edwards to forget about his concussion and stop checking down. The kid was looking like such a nice young quarterback before that concussion, I know he can still be a good QB, the question is how to get there and it might be easier just to start with a new guy but I think someone like Vick and the circus he would bring would really take the pressure off of Trent and let him get used to being a quarterback again.
no, trent has ALWAYS been a checkdown QB...


Bills fans just never cared because he wasnt JP Losman at the time. Back then Bills fans would love any QB thats name wasnt Losman. Now that he hasnt improved at all in his 3 year career, people NOW are tired of his scared play, and his inabilites to make plays...
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at least the Sabers arent bad?
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The Bills are weak from coach to assistants to personnel on both sides of the ball. IMO they need to be gutted and rebuilt, there's a decent nucleus at certain positions to build around, they just need a better coach and some better players at other positions.

Edwards needs coaching at this point imo, not really a veteran who isn't a good passer to "push" him. I think having Vick there would do something of stunting his development.
They've got a few good coaches but you're right, the guys at the top are terrible and that trickles down. I thought they should've replaced Jauron either of the past two offseasons.

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no, trent has ALWAYS been a checkdown QB...


Bills fans just never cared because he wasnt JP Losman at the time. Back then Bills fans would love any QB thats name wasnt Losman. Now that he hasnt improved at all in his 3 year career, people NOW are tired of his scared play, and his inabilites to make plays...
That's just not true though, he didn't have the "**** it I'm going deep to Evans" mentality Losman had, but that didn't mean he was captain checkdown. The kid moved the ball and made good throws and reads, he just didn't go deep very often because he doesn't have a big arm and is more accurate working short to intermediate routes. And he was improving steadily until that concussion, he's stagnated at that point and become more scared out there. He needs to shake that and rebuild his confidence and he'll start progressing again. But hey, if the bills want to cut him the giants are going to need someone to replace Carr soon and I wouldn't mind our staff making Trent their next reclamation project.
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That's just not true though, he didn't have the "**** it I'm going deep to Evans" mentality Losman had, but that didn't mean he was captain checkdown. The kid moved the ball and made good throws and reads, he just didn't go deep very often because he doesn't have a big arm and is more accurate working short to intermediate routes. And he was improving steadily until that concussion, he's stagnated at that point and become more scared out there. He needs to shake that and rebuild his confidence and he'll start progressing again. But hey, if the bills want to cut him the giants are going to need someone to replace Carr soon and I wouldn't mind our staff making Trent their next reclamation project.
I've watched every Bills game since (i believe 2003)

trent has always had the same mentality.. he just looks worst now because he isnt getting 5-6 seconds in the pocket like he was his rookie year
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