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Brady Quinn will be starting against the Ravens, via ESPN ticker.
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Good. Derek Anderson was having one of the worst sustained seasons as a passer I've ever seen.
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This begs the question....was his benching about the incentives in Quinn's contract after all?
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i think it is.
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i think so too.

I see no other logical reason for Andersen to start that long.
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it is a smart buisness move

a really really really bad message to the team and players
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i think overall, its a terrible move. bc it sends the message to your players that the organization is not all about winning, and that its more concerned about making money. if the organization is more concerned about money than winning, then why should the players feel any differently? thats a bad message to send to a lockerroom.

the great organizations let the money side take care of itself and do whatever is in the best interest of the players and team to go out and win games.


this is why the Browns are the Browns.
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I feel sorry for Quinn in a way. That offense is terrible. Nobody will be able to get open for him. So he'll just take a sack. And then ppl will be calling for Anderson again and Brady will continue to be labeled a bust.
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money shouldn't interfere with football operations. every team in the league makes money, they should do everything they can to put a competitive team on the field. not jeopardize the quality of your team for a couple of extra bucks.

and potentially destroy any promise your developing qb had in the process. its just a terrible decision to make.
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Great. Get ready to hear the commentators criticism of Eric Mangini after Quinn struggles against Baltimore's defense. They still bring the blitz, they'll still get to Quinn enough to make plays. The Browns offense under Brady Quinn features a lot of dink-and-dunk to the short flats and the short middle, so get ready to see an active game by the Ravens linebackers. This is also a must-win game for a Baltimore team that needs to kick it into high gear to make a playoff run.

Get ready for this quarterback debate to continue. Personally, I play Anderson, don't diminish Quinn's trade value (3rd-4th to a QB needy team) and draft a quarterback with my Top 3 pick. I just don't think Quinn has a chance to develop and flourish under Mangini.
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I don't get the purpose of keeping him on the bench that long in the first place. Whether your regime picked him first or not, the money is invested in him so you have to see what you got. It's not like Cleveland was going anywhere. Like it was said before in this thread, this seems like it's more about money, and apparently the Browns forgot that fans, who spend their money, actually like to watch the team win.
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I see no other logical reason for Andersen to start that long.
The Browns really were just as bad under Quinn. Fans criticized the conservative play-calling but didn't realize it was because of Brady Quinn's comfortability (or lack of) in the pocket. In two and a half games, Quinn took ten sacks. In the twenty two quarters since, Anderson (the more methodical, less mobile of the two) has taken nine sacks. In college, Quinn would pass too much attention to pressure and got happy feet in the pocket, remarkably it's been the exact same here in the NFL.

I've had the distinct.....experience....of watching every Browns game (except Buffalo and Minnesota). Neither of these Quarterbacks can play for this team and succeed, I think that much is fact. When Mangini benched Quinn in favor of Derek Anderson in the second half of the Baltimore game in Week 3, he wasn't thinking contract incentives, he was thinking about how he could open up this offense and provide some life.

The next week, Cincinnati came to town, and Derek Anderson looked more comfortable and stable than any Browns QB has all year to this day. It looked as if this was just a better team with Anderson, a more experienced, confident, and stronger armed passer. He made his mistakes, but kept the Browns close to the Bengals en route to an overtime loss. Still, more positives came out of that came than any, as the offense had its' best showing and a connection appeared to have been born between Anderson and Mohamed Massaquoi. This had the team confident enough to get rid of talented headache receiver Braylon Edwards. The next week, Anderson and the passing game had their worst showing of the year in Buffalo, but the team won. In past weeks against Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and Chicago nothing has worked and Mangini has kept Quinn on the sidelines as a sign of patience and stability. Now it's clear to him that Anderson can't be giving the Browns their best chance to win and you might as well see what you have in the young arm of Brady Quinn.

This isn't the owner/coach looking for ways to avoid paying their players, it is the team looking at two equally bad options and going back and forth, waffling on which is better for the team. Barring injury, however, I'd expect that Quinn starts the rest of the year... even if that means an 0-8 finish. It's a hard subject to place time and interest into as a football fan, as it really couldn't matter less which quarterback plays in reality. Still, I think the fans are being overly critical of the organization, rather than starting at the core, the team itself.
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Quinn needs to be traded to a team with some promise. The Vikings say hi. You can't throw a rookie QB on a team that doesn't have anything to throw to, or anything to protect him. If a QB doesn't have a line to protect them, or a WR to throw to, then yeah, they will be labeled a bust in no time at all. Building a team starts with the offensive line. Draft a quality Left Tackle. Then go to the Running Back, then Wide Receiver. After those things are done, draft a QB. You can't build around ONLY a QB.
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Great. Get ready to hear the commentators criticism of Eric Mangini after Quinn struggles against Baltimore's defense. They still bring the blitz, they'll still get to Quinn enough to make plays. The Browns offense under Brady Quinn features a lot of dink-and-dunk to the short flats and the short middle, so get ready to see an active game by the Ravens linebackers. This is also a must-win game for a Baltimore team that needs to kick it into high gear to make a playoff run.

Get ready for this quarterback debate to continue. Personally, I play Anderson, don't diminish Quinn's trade value (3rd-4th to a QB needy team) and draft a quarterback with my Top 3 pick. I just don't think Quinn has a chance to develop and flourish under Mangini.
yeah, Baltimore's defense dominates dink-and-dunk offensive teams. (i.e Denver Bronco game) so that defense should have a great game regardless of whether its Quinn or Anderson. Only way Cleveland has a chance to beat Baltimore is to go vertical on there defense, and thus far, Quinn hasn't show the confidence to do so. Baltimore should take this game easily.
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Quinn needs to be traded to a team with some promise. The Vikings say hi. You can't throw a rookie QB on a team that doesn't have anything to throw to, or anything to protect him. If a QB doesn't have a line to protect them, or a WR to throw to, then yeah, they will be labeled a bust in no time at all. Building a team starts with the offensive line. Draft a quality Left Tackle. Then go to the Running Back, then Wide Receiver. After those things are done, draft a QB. You can't build around ONLY a QB.
Who are we talking about? Quinn isnt a rookie QB and their LT is a pro bowler.
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Who are we talking about? Quinn isnt a rookie QB and their LT is a pro bowler.
And their LG, Eric Steinbach, is a heck of a player. Supposedly, TE Robert Royal is a terrific blocker, though he hasn't stood out for any reason besides his drops. Quinn's feet are far too active, in the Ryan Fitzpatrick mold. His lack of courage in the pocket and lack of patience has crippled this team's efforts to open up the offense. I believe with the Browns QB dilemma it's more the players (Quinn and Anderson), not as much the organization and situation.

The play-calling has been predictable in Cleveland, but that's been mainly because they can't rely on their quarterback situation. 1st Down, Jamal Lewis 2 yard run. 2nd Down, Jamal Lewis, 3 yard run. 3rd Down, Incomplete. Throw a Josh Cribbs wildcat look in and an interception here and there and you pretty much have the Browns figured out.

People think the only way to go is up, but I'm not sure. With Braylon Edwards out the door, Robert Royal's struggles on the field and with injuries, the development curve of rookies Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, this passing game may it's darkest days. Dates loom against Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and San Diego.
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I hope he does well but I could see our dip **** receivers dropping about half the passes and our right side of the line pretending that the DL are bulls.
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Yeah, that's one of 4 more pieces they need to succeed. Quinn doesn't have any weapons. Jamaal Lewis is not a weapon anymore.
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And their LG, Eric Steinbach, is a heck of a player. Supposedly, TE Robert Royal is a terrific blocker, though he hasn't stood out for any reason besides his drops. Quinn's feet are far too active, in the Ryan Fitzpatrick mold. His lack of courage in the pocket and lack of patience has crippled this team's efforts to open up the offense. I believe with the Browns QB dilemma it's more the players (Quinn and Anderson), not as much the organization and situation.

The play-calling has been predictable in Cleveland, but that's been mainly because they can't rely on their quarterback situation. 1st Down, Jamal Lewis 2 yard run. 2nd Down, Jamal Lewis, 3 yard run. 3rd Down, Incomplete. Throw a Josh Cribbs wildcat look in and an interception here and there and you pretty much have the Browns figured out.

People think the only way to go is up, but I'm not sure. With Braylon Edwards out the door, Robert Royal's struggles on the field and with injuries, the development curve of rookies Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, this passing game may it's darkest days. Dates loom against Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and San Diego.
I like Alex Mack too. their young receivers are pretty good but they probably need a stud wideout. Thing with Quinn is they probably need to see what they have going into the next draft. If someone like a Holmgren takes over he might want to bring his own QB in. (not necessarily a rookie QB either).
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