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Old 11-16-2009, 10:56 AM    (permalink
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Belichick's call on 4th and 2 at his own 28 last night has gotten a lot of pub and has brought him under scrutiny. What is all of your thoughts on the call, what would you have done? This isnt here to talk about the spot of the ball, the call is what it is, im curious on everyones thoughts on the call to go for it.

Personally, I thought it was the right call to go for it, and if not for Faulk's bobbling of the ball it wouldve worked. It comes down to who do you trust more, your O to get just two yards with the game on the line or your D to stop Peyton who wouldve had two minutes to work with? I think going with his offense here was the right call, Peyton had really come on toward the end of the game, and giving him the ball late like that was taking a greater chance than trying to keep it away from the Colts O.

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How was it not the right call? He had a choice to either put the game in Brady's hands or in Manning's, and of course he chose Brady. If Tom Brady can't gain two yards on a consistent basis then he shouldn't even come close to being mentioned with the best QB's in the league.
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It was a good call to go for it,but why not run on 3rd and 2 and at least make the Colts waste another timeout.
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Is this what we do now? We play arm chair coach the day after? I liked the idea of going for it but not the play call. It was risky, it was do or die. It made the game all that much better. Without the bobble, it was a first and Belichick is a genius. With the bobble, it backfires. Belichick gets questioned.

It was great entertainment. Great TV. Added to a growing rivalry. Put another chapter in the book of Brady vs. Manning.
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It was a good call to go for it,but why not run on 3rd and 2 and at least make the Colts waste another timeout.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the two minute warning quickly approaching? They wouldn't have had to use a timeout if that were the case.
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If I remember correctly, wasn't the two minute warning quickly approaching? They wouldn't have had to use a timeout if that were the case.
They were already expending timeouts before the 3rd down.
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He had more trust in his offense to pick up 2 yards than he did in his defense to stop Peyton Manning. I liked the call.
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is it me or am i the only one who actually thought he got it pretty easily.
I know BB was out of challenges but the forward progress was a 1st down imo.

either way it was the right call for the situation imo
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i liked the call. as the game was going, it really looked like whoever had the ball last would win. on 4th and 2, BB saw it like that too. and punting would've assured that Peyton Manning and the Colts would get the ball last.

yeah, it looked like he didn't trust his defense, but really, all he was saying is, he trusted his offense more than his defense..and given the score, and who they were playing, that was the right judgement.
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Mike Sando of ESPN put it well:

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The Patriots had gained 468 yards to that point in the game. They had converted seven times in 14 third-down opportunities, most with more than 2 yards to go. They had converted third-down plays needing 3, 2, 5 and 1 yard against the Colts in the second half alone.

Given the way the Patriots were functioning, Belichick reasonably could have expected Brady to convert a fourth-and-2 against that defense a high percentage of the time, perhaps three out of four. And if the Patriots managed to convert, they almost certainly would have won the game.
I would have punted, but I see why he went for it, and certainly wouldn't oppose to the call if I were a Pats fan.
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I would have punted, but I see why he went for it, and certainly wouldn't oppose to the call if I were a Pats fan.
I would have punted as well. I would have rather made Manning try to march what could have been 80+ yards down field in under two minutes than risk going for it on fourth and two. I understand why he went for it but felt he took much unneeded risk in doing so.
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Way to have faith in your defense Bill. Manning's previous 7 possessions: 3 punts, 2 INTS, 2 TDS. Peyton was not on that much of a roll.
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Belichick's call? More like Brady's... He's the one who called TO and told Bill to go for it.

Forward progress was not enough to gain the first down. The ball was bobbled. The ball was not placed at the exact location that the receiver landed. It was placed in front of where he landed.

Patriots had balls to go for it, but simply got a little too cocky for their own good. Brady is a cocky mofo and I'm glad he got put in his place. I'm not surprised that the Patriots did not show any class in the loss.
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Yo Bill, maybe you could trust your defense more if you wouldn't have traded back instead of taking Clay Matthews. Thanks bro. :)
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Belichick's call? More like Brady's... He's the one who called TO and told Bill to go for it.

Forward progress was not enough to gain the first down. The ball was bobbled. The ball was not placed at the exact location that the receiver landed. It was placed in front of where he landed.

Patriots had balls to go for it, but simply got a little too cocky for their own good. Brady is a cocky mofo and I'm glad he got put in his place. I'm not surprised that the Patriots did not show any class in the loss.
I did notice Brady vehemently pleading to Bill to go for it after the 3rd down play. I almost forgot about that. So who's call was it really? Too much faith in the QB, did Tom see something?
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I did notice Brady vehemently pleading to Bill to go for it after the 3rd down play. I almost forgot about that. So who's call was it really? Too much faith in the QB, did Tom see something?
Ultimately it was Bill's call, but he trusted his QB. Damn ballsy move though.

Belichick should've known better though. Parcells would've punted and told his QB to shut up and sit on the bench.
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I don't think it was a bad call. Honestly, do you trust Brady to get you 2 yards or your defense to stop Manning?

I disagree more with the play call than the decision to go for it. No runningback in the backfield? Atleast make them have to defend the potential for a run.
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I think it was right the call. The Pat's offense is by far the superior unit compared to their defense. The percentage of picking up the 4th and 2 is probably higher than the defense stopping Manning from going 70 yards in 2 minutes with 2 timeouts. He might have had all 3, I forget.

In my opinion, if they punt, there is no doubt in my mind Peyton drives the field and scores leaving the Pats with no time. I also think Bill thought if they didn't pick up the 4th down, Peyton would have scored quickly enough to leave them another chance with the ball. That didn't happen though.
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I don't think anyone is. That team doesn't show any class in anything they do.
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I would've punted, but I get why he made the call. The Pats D was gassed and not stopping the Colts offense. However, it didn't work, so it was a bad call. Hindsight is a *****.
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I think the biggest mistake was not letting Addai score that TD after they missed the 4th down. That would have left them about 1:30 I think, more than enough time for Brady to drive for a FG.

I don't have a problem with the play call there...but when you miss it, you have to let the Colts score quickly so you can get it back. That should've been part of the strategy going into the 4th down call.
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I think it is the perfect call. If the 1st down is made everyone thinks BB is a genious. Since they didn't get it the decision is in question. IMO it was a first down but the refs always screw up and that is why you have to save a timeout for challenge. Great game.
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I think the biggest mistake was not letting Addai score that TD after they missed the 4th down. That would have left them about 1:30 I think, more than enough time for Brady to drive for a FG.

I don't have a problem with the play call there...but when you miss it, you have to let the Colts score quickly so you can get it back. That should've been part of the strategy going into the 4th down call.
Agreed about this. I think Bill thought the worst case scenario would be Peyton gets the ball and scores and we have time left to try and win the game. With the Pats offense they could have done that easily.
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