Rank the NFC East and their likely records next season. - Page 4

Modano · 03-11-2007, 03:36 PM

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Then that means there is no 2-deep shell, which equally is a liability against pass offenses. Either way, when you have to design your scheme around someone who cannot cover, it hurts whether he is in coverage or not.

It's all about putting pressure on the QB. Look at the Colts-Cowboys game for example. In that game the Cowboys pressure on Manning was very very good and Roy had an amazing game. He suffered a TD by Dallas Clark, but there aren't many safeties in the NFL who can match-up one on one on Dallas Clark...
Roy is a liability in coverage but is a true playmaker.. If you give the opposite QB a lot of time to throw he can beat him everytime, but if you put pressure on the QB Roy is gonna make plays..

bearsfan_51 · 03-11-2007, 03:40 PM

I can promise you this, they won't win nearly as many games as most of you are forcasting. I would say, collectively, they'll win about 30-34 games. Most of you are predicting 36 wins or more. That's not gonna happen.

eaglesalltheway · 03-11-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Modano

It's all about putting pressure on the QB. Look at the Colts-Cowboys game for example. In that game the Cowboys pressure on Manning was very very good and Roy had an amazing game. He suffered a TD by Dallas Clark, but there aren't many safeties in the NFL who can match-up one on one on Dallas Clark...
Roy is a liability in coverage but is a true playmaker.. If you give the opposite QB a lot of time to throw he can beat him everytime, but if you put pressure on the QB Roy is gonna make plays..

OK so there are 8 guys in the box, including Roy Williams. The opposing team puts out 4 receivers, (3 WRs and a TE or 2 WRs, TE, and a RB, etc...) I quick pass leaves one offensive guy open to catch the ball from the QB while the other receivers block. If those receivers do there job right, that play goes for six points. What about a screen play. If ROy Williams is in the box, the Eagles, who are a great screen team will audible a screen to Westbrook, your guys go tearing through the line... Westy catches the ball, picks up his blockers. There are only three guys ahead of him and he would have at least 5 blockers, that play would end up in a big gain any time. I'm just using the Eagles as an example, any team could do this. The point is, if you put Roy in the box, that leaves your CBs and a FS to make the play, on a majority of plays, there would be more blockers than defenders who can make a play. It would not benefit the Dallas D to have 8 in the box, leaving big play opportunities available.

eaglesalltheway · 03-11-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I can promise you this, they won't win nearly as many games as most of you are forcasting. I would say, collectively, they'll win about 30-34 games. Most of you are predicting 36 wins or more. That's not gonna happen.

If you go by my scale, I have 34-38 wins in the division. There are a total of 64 games played for each division. Being slightly over .500 is very possible, especially considering the Division had three teams in the playoffs this past year. I think barely above .500 is reasonable. (I am not saying three teams in the playoffs will happen this year though.)

Shiver · 03-11-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Modano

It's all about putting pressure on the QB. Look at the Colts-Cowboys game for example. In that game the Cowboys pressure on Manning was very very good and Roy had an amazing game. He suffered a TD by Dallas Clark, but there aren't many safeties in the NFL who can match-up one on one on Dallas Clark...
Roy is a liability in coverage but is a true playmaker.. If you give the opposite QB a lot of time to throw he can beat him everytime, but if you put pressure on the QB Roy is gonna make plays..

It isn't just about pressuring the Quarterback. San Diego, under Phillips, have struggled every year at stopping passing offenses. That has been the team's glaring weakness for a while now. Last year was their best season, in regards to pass defense, and they were still only average. Blitzing is high risk, high reward, as any reader of TMQ can attest to. You give up as many big plays as you make, for the most part. In this case, Roy Williams may make some plays, but he will certainly give up big plays when he's matched up with a TE in 1-on-1 coverage.

bearsfan_51 · 03-11-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglesalltheway

If you go by my scale, I have 34-38 wins in the division. There are a total of 64 games played for each division. Being slightly over .500 is very possible, especially considering the Division had three teams in the playoffs this past year. I think barely above .500 is reasonable. (I am not saying three teams in the playoffs will happen this year though.)

38 wins is not barely above .500

That would mean.

1st place team= 11 wins
2nd place team= 10 wins
3rd place team= 10 wins
4th place team= 7 wins

That is not going to happen. It's not. I thought that last year would have hit the point home that the East isn't as good as everyone was yaking it up to be during the season. Yes three teams made the playoffs. None of them were very good though.

34 wins is possible. Maybe 35. Anything beyond that is far too unrealistic.

jetsfan3 · 03-11-2007, 04:57 PM

Eagles 11-5

Cowboys 9-7

Giants 8-8

Redskins 3-13

TNewFan41 · 03-11-2007, 05:02 PM

Putting pressure on the QB is pretty much makes your CBs. If you don't have good pressure you CBs will always look horrible.

I think Dallas has the potential to be 14-2, and e eagles have the potential to go 12-4, but it probably won't happen, because it is just potential.

This is my list:

Cowboys 12-4
Eagles 10-6
Skins 9-7
Giants 6-10

Modano · 03-11-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

It isn't just about pressuring the Quarterback. San Diego, under Phillips, have struggled every year at stopping passing offenses. That has been the team's glaring weakness for a while now. Last year was their best season, in regards to pass defense, and they were still only average. Blitzing is high risk, high reward, as any reader of TMQ can attest to. You give up as many big plays as you make, for the most part. In this case, Roy Williams may make some plays, but he will certainly give up big plays when he's matched up with a TE in 1-on-1 coverage.

Yes of course, but I think that even if Roy is gonna give up some big plays for the rest of his career we need a player like him. It's of course high risk, high reward, but he makes those type of plays that can change a game.
Again, against the Colts, they were in position to score on the 5. On second down Williams came across the line of scrimmage and tackled Addai for a 2 yards loss. On third down, he bumped Dallas Clark and came with a key interception...
We will still have problems stopping the pass (but a good FS could help big time, infact when Woody was still playing Roy wasn't such a liability in coverage) but I really like his playmaking abilities. He has "it".

Jensen · 03-11-2007, 05:36 PM

1. Eagles (10-6)
2. Cowboys (9-7)
3. Giants (7-9)
4. Redskins (6-10)

LTgiants · 03-11-2007, 06:27 PM

Giants: 10-6
Eagles: 10-6
Cowboys: 9-7
Redskins:7-9

cunningham06 · 03-11-2007, 06:31 PM

Eagles- 10-6
Cowboys- 9-7
Redskins- 8-8
Giants- 6-10

TNewFan41 · 03-11-2007, 06:56 PM

The Giants are not winning the divison. Come on now.

Smooth Criminal · 03-11-2007, 07:05 PM

Cowboys - 11-5
Eagles - 10-6
Redskins - 7-9
Giants - 6-10

KWill93 · 03-11-2007, 10:05 PM

Eagles 11-5
Cowboys 10-6
Giants 8-8
Redskins 7-9

jsagan77 · 03-11-2007, 10:09 PM

Earth to all Giants fans. Your super star RB retired and you all will be crying at the end of the year because poor Sh-Eli will finally be a bust. The Eagles Cowboys and Skins will fight for the crown and a wild card spot and the Giants will be 6-10 at best.

cunningham06 · 03-12-2007, 12:27 AM

^ I agree to a point. The lack of Tiki will really hurt the franchise. Eli will have a lot more pressure on him to perform, and I don't think he will be able to carry the team.

Shiver · 03-12-2007, 12:42 AM

Offense is overrated. The real issue the Giants have is they have to somehow rebuild the entire LB'ers and Defensive Backfield, via the draft, while staying competitive. Because if they aren't, Coughlin will be gone, and the team will have to turn to a new coaching staff and likely another set of schematic changes. Yes, Tiki and Eli are going to command attention. That defense is what is disconcerting in my eye.

Crazy_Chris · 03-12-2007, 12:42 AM

1.Eagles 11-5
2.Cowboys 9-7
3.Giants 7-9
4.Redskins 5-11

Geo · 03-12-2007, 01:27 AM

Coughlin is gone from the Giants after this season, that's a given. The real question is who the Giants will hire afterwards.

Jughead10 · 03-12-2007, 07:59 AM

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Coughlin is gone from the Giants after this season, that's a given. The real question is who the Giants will hire afterwards.

People just assume Coughlin will be gone. He is a very good coach. We have dumb players. The loss of Tiki will hurt. I'm hoping not as much as most think. We will find out how great Tiki was this year. Find out if he was really that good or if Coughlin just made him that good. I don't think Tiki ever broke 1,300 yards before Coughlin got here. To me the Giants season comes down to #1 staying healthy, #2 defensing the pass, and #3 protecting the QB. Right now I'll say 9-7 and I'll admit that is being optimistic.

toonsterwu · 03-12-2007, 09:35 AM

Just to note - I'm not saying that Brian Dawkins had a precipitous decline last year. All I'm saying is that I think he declined a bit compared to previous years and I think he lost a tiny step last year. Still one of the better safeties in the league, though (and hence why I still give the Eagles the edge as the best secondary unit in the NFC East).

bigbluedefense · 03-12-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

It isn't just about pressuring the Quarterback. San Diego, under Phillips, have struggled every year at stopping passing offenses. That has been the team's glaring weakness for a while now. Last year was their best season, in regards to pass defense, and they were still only average. Blitzing is high risk, high reward, as any reader of TMQ can attest to. You give up as many big plays as you make, for the most part. In this case, Roy Williams may make some plays, but he will certainly give up big plays when he's matched up with a TE in 1-on-1 coverage.

I have discussed this numerous times with Cowboy fans before. First and foremost, the scheme against Indy was a passive one, with alot of LB zones and man coverages on the edges.

They rushed 4 or 5 guys which is barely being aggressive. The difference of that game was the 5 man rush got there at a decent time compared to other games. In BP's scheme, the 2 gap front must hold their assignments. That was probably the only Cowboy game I saw where the DEs did the proper reads in their gap assignment.

Also, the two games I saw where the Cowboys implemented an aggressive scheme last year, was @ Philly and @ Detroit. Those 2 games they gave up more yards and points than any other game (I think discluding the Saints game). Roy Williams and Pat Watkins were extremely vulnerable when isolated.

This is what Cowboy fans don't understand. First and foremost, even when Dallas rushed alot of guys last year, the blitz simply didn't get there, and even when it did, their DBs got carved up for large gains. If you put Roy in the box, you have Pat Watkins as the lone safety back there. Cha Ching for the offense.

Now I feel that Watkins can develop into a good safety with practice, but I don't know if that will happen with Phillips at HC. Phillips is notorious for holding back the development of DB players. Im guessing Watkins would be no different.

And Cowboys fans underrate the abilities of SD's safeties. SD's safeties are infinitely better in coverage than Dallas's.

DeathbyStat · 03-12-2007, 10:47 AM

Eagles 10-6
Cowboys 9-7
Giants 8-8
Redskins 5-11

Some said going into last last year this was the strongest division,,I didn't believe it then and this this year it maybe one of the weakest besides the NFC North.

With Dallas I think Wade Phillips will improve the defense improve but I don't feel Tony Romo is the savior that many people feel that he is.

The eagles have lost Stallworth and having an aging Defense. Plus Mcnabb may make it three years in a row with another injury that side lines him for some time.

The loss of Tiki Barber will be huge for the Giants and they haven't made an significant upgrades to a defense that wasn't wasn't all that great last year.

As long as the Redskins continue to poorly manage their franchise by signing high priced free agents and trading away draft picks I think they will be doomed to failure

hugepunch · 03-12-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jsagan77

Earth to all Giants fans. Your super star RB retired and you all will be crying at the end of the year because poor Sh-Eli will finally be a bust. The Eagles Cowboys and Skins will fight for the crown and a wild card spot and the Giants will be 6-10 at best.

earth to all redskins fans you overpay for crap players every year and yuo go nowhere.