Cleveland Browns(1-8) at Detroit Lions(1-8), Nov 22. 1pm - Page 3

Scotty D · 11-22-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Addict

Speaking of which, how's Ghosder doing, respectable or piss-poor?

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this site or if it is even reputable

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=T& stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

They breakdown how an offensive lineman run blocks and pass block every week. Prior to this game he was a +4.6 in run blocking and -7.1 in pass blocking. It also has Backus playing as a top 5 tackle this season. If you look through the site it seems legit.

Addict · 11-22-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this site or if it is even reputable

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=T& stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

They breakdown how an offensive lineman run blocks and pass block every week. Prior to this game he was a +4.6 in run blocking and -7.1 in pass blocking. It also has Backus playing as a top 5 tackle this season. If you look through the site it seems legit.

thanks, that does look like a pretty solid site.

Although seeing backus that high seems... strange somehow. Also did not realize Vollmer was doing well. That's nice, I liked him as a prospect.

Brothgar · 11-22-2009, 06:08 PM

ZOMGWTFBBQ WE WON WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT T No longer #1 overall

Prowler · 11-22-2009, 06:12 PM

cleveland's pass rush is horrible. the espn stat line has them good for only 1 sack and 1 qb hit. it didn't seem like an issue today but i think that was because stafford was out for blood and did a great job of knowing where he was going with the ball.

Prowler · 11-22-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this site or if it is even reputable

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=T& stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

They breakdown how an offensive lineman run blocks and pass block every week. Prior to this game he was a +4.6 in run blocking and -7.1 in pass blocking. It also has Backus playing as a top 5 tackle this season. If you look through the site it seems legit.

i'm not sure how that is rated considering that backus has given up 6 sacks, 5 qb hits, and 17 qb pressures.

edit: oh....when you sort the pass block column he falls to 39th best in the league...

Addict · 11-22-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by broth223

ZOMGWTFBBQ WE WON WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT T No longer #1 overall

I'm still in awe as well.

Also what the hell is up with your sig? They banned AQ?

tblain1 · 11-22-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

Stafford's final line 422 yrds- 5 TDS, 2 INTS

Rookie QB TD record for a single game!

WHO DAT!?!??!??!

Way to go Staff. Hope he is ok. 5 TDs is solid. Even better, I'm sure he has some confidence after this game. I'd hate to see the kid end the season with only one win. Not that 2 is a whole lot better, but when you do it like he did today its a bit of a statement. Even if it is against horrible Cleveland.

BTW, whats up with our defense? Were we that bad? Or did Cleveland's offense finally figure out how to move the ball?

Brothgar · 11-22-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Addict

I'm still in awe as well.

Also what the hell is up with your sig? They banned AQ?

I thought so but she just left ... and I'm just too lazy to change my sig.

Prowler · 11-22-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tblain1

WHO DAT!?!??!??!

Way to go Staff. Hope he is ok. 5 TDs is solid. Even better, I'm sure he has some confidence after this game. I'd hate to see the kid end the season with only one win. Not that 2 is a whole lot better, but when you do it like he did today its a bit of a statement. Even if it is against horrible Cleveland.

BTW, whats up with our defense? Were we that bad? Or did Cleveland's offense finally figure out how to move the ball?

a combination of lack of talent on d and first year of this brand of defense. buchanan whiffed on his receiver off the line and ko was out of position to stop mo mass for a deep touchdown. but basically the story of our defense was giving up a couple deep completions for touchdowns. if we would have done our jobs then cleveland would of easily had 14 less points. give some of our players time and more talent and we'll be a lot better next season going forward.

levy looked really good today, missed one tackle on jamal lewis for a first down, but otherwise solid. he had 8 tackles and was effective as a blitzer. foote was a beast with 12 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tfl, 1 deflection, and another qb hit. julian was shaken up a bit in the first half.

Babylon · 11-22-2009, 06:39 PM

Great win. Still dont think it's good for the health of your QB to be passing at a 43-17 ratio. Even with a passing team 2-1 would probably make more sense. As for Stafford he showed a ton of guts getting hit a lot at Georgia and he seems to be showing a lot of guts at this level. Give him some help in the running game and save him for the long haul.

Prowler · 11-22-2009, 07:16 PM

mortenson was just on espn talking about stafford's injury status. its not a broken collarbone but no other diagnosis has been given, but MRI scheduled tommorrow.

apparently on that last drive, stafford ran onto the field by himself. the pass interference play happened, then cleveland called 2 consecutive time outs. while the doctors were checking out stafford on the sidelines, stafford heard that a time out was called, got up, brushed off the doctors, and ran out onto the field. nothing was going to stop him from finishing the game.

P-L · 11-22-2009, 07:35 PM

With the way he played today, it was his game to win. Gotta give him props, he's a tough kid. I just hope we can put enough protection in front of him before he gets seriously injured.

detknowitall · 11-22-2009, 08:45 PM

havent said anything in a long...long time...but WOW!

SINCE1978 · 11-22-2009, 09:03 PM

Stafford getting beat up is not ALL on the Oline ... Stafford is a pocket passer who rarely scrambles. He uses that gift of a right arm rocket launcher standing amongst the giants firing missiles; squeezing balls into spots where few can do. Kid is TOUGH.
Although not really a tracked stat, Stafford is arguably the most stationary starting QB in the NFC North. Think about Culter, Rodgers & even Favre's games ... I'm not talking about rushing by QB's, I mean simply alluding the big hits and KO's. Granted moving the pocket & alluding backside pressure will all come with NFL experience for him. In his defense, their run game is still not on track leaving DE's chomping at the bit knowing they must throw to move the ball. 45 yds from Kevin Smith just is not cutting it.

WMD · 11-22-2009, 09:15 PM

Kevin Smith frickin sucks. Trade him to a team that needs a Running Back. Maybe San Diego would like him to team with Darren Sproles if they release Tomlinson.

Brodeur · 11-22-2009, 09:18 PM

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Kevin Smith frickin sucks. Trade him to a team that needs a Running Back. Maybe San Diego would like him to team with Darren Sproles if they release Tomlinson.

Sucks is a stretch, he's moderately useful. I wouldn't mind teaming Aaron Brown with a power back of sorts next year.

WMD · 11-22-2009, 09:29 PM

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Sucks is a stretch, he's moderately useful. I wouldn't mind teaming Aaron Brown with a power back of sorts next year.

I mean what is he good for?? He's not fast, not shifty, not powerful. He's just.. there. Plain name, no mad skillz, Millen draft pick.. I say get what we can for him ASAP.

Brodeur · 11-22-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lions WMD

I mean what is he good for?? He's not fast, not shifty, not powerful. He's just.. there. Plain name, no mad skillz, Millen draft pick.. I say get what we can for him ASAP.

He's a better receiver than most of the receiving core. Speaking of which, we really need a number 2 receiver that isn't Bryant Johnson.

DoughBoy · 11-22-2009, 09:47 PM

Lions need to take a talented RB early this year. Get Toby Gerhart, or C.J Spiller or some weapon for Matt because I love watching him play.

noondog · 11-23-2009, 07:46 AM

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Lions need to take a talented RB early this year. Get Toby Gerhart, or C.J Spiller or some weapon for Matt because I love watching him play.

There is just absolutely no way that Detroit can afford to neglect the lines to take a RB until AT LEAST the 3rd round. Kevin Smith has not been productive, but RB is not our greatest need by any stretch at this point.

619 · 11-23-2009, 09:47 AM

The Lions need a more explosive option to team with Kevin Smith and as it stands there really aren't too many of those style backs that are projected to be second/third round picks.

Prowler · 11-23-2009, 12:16 PM

dexter mccluster-ole miss in the 4-5th rounds. can catch and run with speed.

Scotty D · 11-23-2009, 05:13 PM

http://www.freep.com/article/2009112...063/1049/rss14

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Browns coach Eric Mangini is questioning whether the Detroit Lions faked injuries to slow down Cleveland’s no-huddle offense.

Thanks for the timeout at the end dumbass!

Prowler · 11-23-2009, 09:45 PM

eric mangini would be the conspiracy theory expert. no talent cheating then narcing *******. maybe him and charlie weis can fish together in the offseason.

SINCE1978 · 11-23-2009, 10:01 PM

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eric mangini would be the conspiracy theory expert. no talent cheating then narcing *******. maybe him and charlie weis can fish together in the offseason.

or just eat & be miserable ... wow are those two ballooning north of 3bills.