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Old 11-18-2009, 08:17 PM    (permalink
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There's no need. He sucks and can be labeled a bust now.
Even if you think there is no need, he will still get a second chance. Maybe in a place where his "weapons" will be better than DHB. Epic fail on Al Davis's part.
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He will get another chance somewhere, just about everyone who had potential at one point will be given a second chance by some fool. He will fail miserably, but it will still happen.
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Why does everyone think that a change of scenery is all it takes for a qb to be successful?
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Why does everyone think that a change of scenery is all it takes for a qb to be successful?
I don't think anyone said that's all it takes, but it would certainly help if he had a better coach, offensive line, WR's, offensive coordinator, etc etc. Same could be said for any QB really, but I'm willing to give anybody who played for Oakland recently a change of scenery before labeling them a bust.
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It's really pitiful to watch DHB play,
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This has to be one of the most predictable busts ever in NFL draft history. Raw QB with no work ethic and no intelligence, meet disfunctional organization with poor leadership, no foundation and no direction.

Lesson learned - forget about raw physical skills when you're drafting #1. Don't even ask how far a guy can throw the football until you are 100% sure that he works hard, is a fantastic leader, and has the mental capacity to learn every last detail of an NFL playbook.
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Not surprising to me at all. I thought he sucked and would bust for any team before the draft, let alone the Raiders.

He was terribly overrated coming into the draft. Everyone forgets how he was pegged as a 2nd round pick before his Bowl game vs Notre Dame, and how he was pushed up draft boards bc he beat up on a terrible college defense.

He never had any business being the #1 overall pick.

He had poor work ethic, lacked passion, was out of shape, raw, etc.

But he was big and had a big arm.

And that went #1 overall. Ridiculous.
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I wonder where Jamarcus would have gone if Oakland wouldn't have drafted him. Detroit? : /

I still like him as a prospect. Give him a new environment. I mean he did have two rookie WRs to start out there year.
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I feel like I'm watching Space Jam. Neither Jamarcus nor Quinn looks like a struggling young QB to me. They just look like BAD QBs. Struggling young QBs with potential make mistakes, but usually put the ball in a good spot. BAD QBs miss throws, often compounded with bad decisions leading to disaster. Russell and Quinn are BAD QBs. I myself liked Russell coming out, he was accurate, great sense of moving around the pocket, rocket of an arm. I thought he'd be like Big Ben. Quinn I wasn't so high on. He struggled under pressure and his mechanics broke down. But I won't deny he was a good QB and prospect. Both these guys lost their accuracy completely, Quinn has lost his mojo.

Ladies and gentlemen, a group of aliens have robbed both of these kids of all their talent. They are planning to take over the world and it's up to the Looney Tunes and a recently retired Brett Favre to stop them(After they succeed, Favre will unretire).
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You know how in pretty much any game the camera shows a QB looking at pictures after their teams drive to see how the D is playing them?

Well the other day they showed JR doing that and he flipped threw them all fast like and then handed them to a coach he didn't even care.

I was watching the Colts play and they showed Peyton doing the same thing only he was studying them like he was still a rookie soaking up the info.

That is pretty much all you need to know the guy has talent you don't get drafted with the first pick with out it but you can't teach desire.
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His desire is honestly the biggest thing holding him back. He just doesn't seem to care enough to really work hard to be a good QB. Yeah he is a bad situation, but the guy doesn't even seem to care. They should just cut him at this point.
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Lol, that's just as much of a fail.
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Please!! Do this Al Davis. T-Jack has a super strong arm and can run fast! You know you want him.
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The funniest thing about Jamarcus Russell is his confidence in himself. It is self-esteem gone awry.

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This guy never had the work ethic to make it work as a pro-QB, which is more about the mental game than the physical one.
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I honestly just think Russell never cared enough. He's a great example of a pay day that size having the worst possible effect.

Either way, it looks like we're headed for an uncapped free agency. There's no way Russell rides the bench without Al Davis' consent, so this could actually be Russell's last year on the Raiders. Good riddance, as far as I'm concerned. I will always wish we took Calvin Johnson.
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I watch the local pre-game shows and there was a story of the coaching staff giving Jamarcus Russell a dvd of the plays to take home to study and when he came in the next day and was asked how it was, he said it was good and he understood what he had to do. The only thing was, the dvd they sent home with him was blank so it really called into question whether or not he cared at all anymore.

I think he potentially could have been a good QB if he went to the right situation and learned for a few years behind someone, but that didn't happen. Also, honestly, when will you ever need a QB to throw 60 yards on his knees?
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I watch the local pre-game shows and there was a story of the coaching staff giving Jamarcus Russell a dvd of the plays to take home to study and when he came in the next day and was asked how it was, he said it was good and he understood what he had to do. The only thing was, the dvd they sent home with him was blank so it really called into question whether or not he cared at all anymore.

I think he potentially could have been a good QB if he went to the right situation and learned for a few years behind someone, but that didn't happen. Also, honestly, when will you ever need a QB to throw 60 yards on his knees?
wow this is awesome. I dont have any touble believing that. Even if it wasnt true it doesnt change much of anything.

Thanks to the people who are well thought enough to realize this is more about Russell's lack of everything then the Raiders lack of structure or talent.

I wonder if Al Davis will have the gutts to cut him and take advantage of the uncaped year, then draft a QB in the 1st round if he has a chance to get the right person. What this team is lacking the most is a true quaterback and leader. Yes we could use a couple better lineman on both sides or a LB, just like every other team. They need someone that can play the most important position and be commited to turning things around, someone to believe in. Also dont forget the Raiders dont have a 1st round pick in 2011 because of the Seymour trade.

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wow this is awesome. I dont have any touble believing that. Even if it wasnt true it doesnt change much of anything.

Thanks to the people who are well thought enough to realize this is more about Russell's lack of everything then the Raiders lack of structure or talent.

I wonder if Al Davis will have the gutts to cut him and take advantage of the uncaped year, then draft a QB in the 1st round if he has a chance to get the right person. What this team is lacking the most is a true quaterback and leader. Yes we could use a couple better lineman on both sides or a LB, just like every other team. They need someone that can play the most important position and be commited to turning things around, someone to believe in. Also dont forget the Raiders dont have a 1st round pick in 2011 because of the Seymour trade.
This is what makes it so interesting.

Draft a QB next draft or wait until the 2012 draft?

Use your first rounder on a QB or use your 2nd/3rd/4th rounder on a QB?
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I watch the local pre-game shows and there was a story of the coaching staff giving Jamarcus Russell a dvd of the plays to take home to study and when he came in the next day and was asked how it was, he said it was good and he understood what he had to do. The only thing was, the dvd they sent home with him was blank so it really called into question whether or not he cared at all anymore.

I think he potentially could have been a good QB if he went to the right situation and learned for a few years behind someone, but that didn't happen. Also, honestly, when will you ever need a QB to throw 60 yards on his knees?
That is just awesome. Seriously, if I was a coach and the same thing happened that guy would never get a starting job, ever.
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