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Old 11-19-2009, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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Default Buffalo signs Brian Brohm away from Green Bay

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-brian-brohm/

This is interesting to me.

Just one year ago, he was considered by Scott as the #2 QB in the entire draft. I felt the same way. Then he was picked up by Green Bay, who had ZERO need for a QB, and struggled in his rookie camp and preseason.

Then there was the strange placement of him on their practice squad. Apparently, Green Bay offered him an active roster spot and matched Buffalo's offer when they heard of the Bills interest.

In the end, he chose to leave the Packers for the Bills.

Interesting.
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This is interesting to me.

Just one year ago, he was considered by Scott as the #2 QB in the entire draft. I felt the same way. Then he was picked up by Green Bay, who had ZERO need for a QB, and struggled in his rookie camp and preseason.

Then there was the strange placement of him on their practice squad. Apparently, Green Bay offered him an active roster spot and matched Buffalo's offer when they heard of the Bills interest.

In the end, he chose to leave the Packers for the Bills.

Interesting.

Obviously the Pack is committed to Rodgers, he'd have to be nuts to turn down Buffalo. Good pickup considering it costs them nothing.
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To be fair Rodgers had not broke out at the time they drafted BB so saying they had zero need for a QB is a little much.
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Yeah, that was the off-season right before Rodgers was officially the GB starter. What a waste of a second round pick though.
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Yeah, that was the off-season right before Rodgers was officially the GB starter. What a waste of a second round pick though.
Easy to say that now but at the time I think it was a smart move on paper.
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I like the pickup for Buffalo. Now I just wish we had a QB coach that could develop a quarterback :(
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Easy to say that now but at the time I think it was a smart move on paper.
Not really. That pick caught everyone by surprise. They had invested a first round pick already in Rodgers a few years earlier, and they drafted another QB very high in the draft before even giving the previous one a chance.
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Easy to say that now but at the time I think it was a smart move on paper.
Why, they had Rodgers and spent some time with zero veteran QBs, and now he is gone.
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Not really. That pick caught everyone by surprise. They had invested a first round pick already in Rodgers a few years earlier, and they drafted another QB very high in the draft before even giving the previous one a chance.
Then how come everyone seems so keen on the idea of Cleveland drafting a QB in the 1st round this year?
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Then how come everyone seems so keen on the idea of Cleveland drafting a QB in the 1st round this year?
I personally am not, but the people who are have decided Quinn is teh ***. The pick only makes sense if the organization considers the former 1st round teh ***.
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They had no real idea what they had in AR they were high on him but I don't see what is wrong with having a plan B its not like he was making top five money.
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Did people ***** this much in the 90s when Ron Wolf drafted or signed Ty Detmer, Kurt Warner, Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, or Aaron Brooks despite having Favre?
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The Bills can have him and good luck! He is awful, plain old just sucks. Didnt like drafting him at all even if he turned out decent, and now we wasted a 2nd.
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Best of luck to Brohm.
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Did people ***** this much in the 90s when Ron Wolf drafted or signed Ty Detmer, Kurt Warner, Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, or Aaron Brooks despite having Favre?
2nd rounders are valuable mayne...people are just commenting.
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Did people ***** this much in the 90s when Ron Wolf drafted or signed Ty Detmer, Kurt Warner, Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck, or Aaron Brooks despite having Favre?
How many of those were taken in the 2nd round?

None? Oh..
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The pick wasn't awful at the time... Remember he had great value at where he was picked, and the team had only one QB on the roster at the time...with 0 starts in his lifetime...and at the time he was perceived to be injury prone..... so yeah QB in that draft was a need.
2nd round need? probably not, but I guess the value fit.
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I don't buy the "he had great value" argument.

If he had great value, why didn't someone else take him sooner? Someone brought up Scott's board. I would hope and pray that every NFL front office, whch are staffed by dozens of people, has a better grasp on draft value than someone who doesn't work in the league.

It was a bad pick with bad value. It's ok to be wrong sometimes and just admit it.
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The pick wasn't awful at the time... Remember he had great value at where he was picked, and the team had only one QB on the roster at the time...with 0 starts in his lifetime...and at the time he was perceived to be injury prone..... so yeah QB in that draft was a need.
2nd round need? probably not, but I guess the value fit.
This.

I don't think GB went in to the draft thinking they were going to take a QB in the 2nd round but when BB was sitting there who some had as first round talent they pulled the trigger.
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Then how come everyone seems so keen on the idea of Cleveland drafting a QB in the 1st round this year?
Because Brady Quinn sucks balls? Rodgers had a few snaps in blowouts, and that one game in Dallas where Favre got hurt (and he played really well) to show what he had. While Quinn hasn't exactly been given the best opportunity to excel in, he doesn't really look like an NFL quarterback. Not nearly as similar a situation as the Green Bay one.
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There are very few moves by Thompson that I've really thought were bad moves at the time, but I hated the Brohm pick immediately. Not because of Brohm himself, but because spending a second round pick on a guy to be a backup QB/insurance policy isn't worth it. Best case scenario for us was we end up trading him in a few years for barely more than we spent to draft him. Buffalo signing him doesn't really make much of a difference, because if we'd gotten to the point that we need to use him, we'd have been much better off bringing in a veteran anyway.
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How many of those were taken in the 2nd round?

None? Oh..
Did I say they were picked in the 2nd round??

Having more than one solid quarterback is a good problem to have. I remember that some people were upset that we picked Rodgers, and look at him now. He was great value at the time, as was Brohm. Thompson has been steadfast on picking BPA.
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I don't buy the "he had great value" argument.

If he had great value, why didn't someone else take him sooner? Someone brought up Scott's board. I would hope and pray that every NFL front office, whch are staffed by dozens of people, has a better grasp on draft value than someone who doesn't work in the league.

It was a bad pick with bad value. It's ok to be wrong sometimes and just admit it.

Because there are always the Flaccos and Freemans that shoot up the board in the recent months coming up to the draft and potential always outshines production.
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Did I say they were picked in the 2nd round??

Having more than one solid quarterback is a good problem to have. I remember that some people were upset that we picked Rodgers, and look at him now. He was great value at the time, as was Brohm. Thompson has been steadfast on picking BPA.


You can only play one quarterback at a time, that's why it makes no sense. Spending a 2nd round pick on someone who will probably never be your starter isn't a good move.
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Because there are always the Flaccos and Freemans that shoot up the board in the recent months coming up to the draft and potential always outshines production.
So you're saying that you still think Brohm is a good quarterback? There is a reason college production doesn't mean that much when it comes to the draft, it doesn't predict anything.

To answer your other post, the reason why someone like Hassleback was a good pick was that they took a 6th round pick and turned it into something better. The Packers, as someone else pointed out, were never going to get a a better pick in return for Brohm than the one they spent to get him. As it turns out, they got absolutely nothing.
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