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Old 11-19-2009, 08:17 PM    (permalink
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Brohn completely stunk in the pre season and when he was cut, any of 31 other teams could have claimed him, they didn't, for good reason.
Buffalo is just desperate with their fan base getting ready to desert the team, so they fired their HC because you cannot get rid of a bad owner. Buffalo has been absolutely terrible since the FA era began, with Wilson refusing to put up enough resources to produce a winner. Brohn isn't the answer either but at least the fans may buy another ticket or 2 to find out.
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Brohn completely stunk in the pre season and when he was cut, any of 31 other teams could have claimed him, they didn't, for good reason.
Buffalo is just desperate with their fan base getting ready to desert the team, so they fired their HC because you cannot get rid of a bad owner. Buffalo has been absolutely terrible since the FA era began, with Wilson refusing to put up enough resources to produce a winner. Brohn isn't the answer either but at least the fans may buy another ticket or 2 to find out.
I certainly hope that this signing does not convince fans to buy tickets.
If people do indeed buy ticket because of this, I have overestimated the average intelligence of Bills fans.
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I was a HUGE Brohm fan, hopefully he can get a chance to compete in Buffalo.
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I like the pick up. Obviously Trent Edwards is not the answer.
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I was a HUGE Brohm fan, hopefully he can get a chance to compete in Buffalo.
Wow, some of you are so quick to write off a 2nd year QB because he looked awful as a rookie!!
I thought he was a stud prospect coming out of Louisville with a sick deep ball. Sorry, but I have to see him in an NFL program for more than one year of coaching before I write the guy completely off.
Brohm is not going to Buffalo to start anyway, he's competing strictly for the 3rd string spot, IMO.
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Even if Aaron Rodgers had not proven himself at that point, they would still have let him start the whole year, barring a major faceplant that wasnt probable. Picking a QB in round 2 could have waited one more year.
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A lot of hindsight geniuses here. Who would have thought? I didn't love the pick when it happened but understood where it came from.
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what's the difference in signing a qb from FA and drafting one? the team felt like Brohm was a better option then what we could have signed and took him. We wanted to get better, not settle.
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I don't buy the "he had great value" argument.

If he had great value, why didn't someone else take him sooner? Someone brought up Scott's board. I would hope and pray that every NFL front office, whch are staffed by dozens of people, has a better grasp on draft value than someone who doesn't work in the league.

It was a bad pick with bad value. It's ok to be wrong sometimes and just admit it.
You say that now. The search button is a friendly tool to have. Here's what I came up with. You did a couple mocks in '07 leading up the draft. Months ahead but nonetheless.

You had Brohm going number 9, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 16, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 4, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

And number 15, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 7, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13677

Number 5, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13470

And you say he wasn't good value in the second round to put behind a guy that never started a game and was injury prone?
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Dude. I am NOT an NFL GM. I know hardly more about college scouting than your mother. That's my whole point.

WE DON'T DECIDE WHAT VALUE IS. SCOTT DOESN'T DECIDE WHAT VALUE IS. NFL GM'S DECIDE WHAT VALUE IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS AND IT IS THERE JOB.

You just wasted a lot of time for nothing.


If you want me to explain the benefits of a scorched earth policy by the Romans in the Punic War, or why societies gradually shifted towards monotheistic, non-athropomorphic gods as they became more sedentary, by all means.
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I had Brohm going #2 one time, haha...
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Wow, some of you are so quick to write off a 2nd year QB because he looked awful as a rookie!!
I thought he was a stud prospect coming out of Louisville with a sick deep ball. Sorry, but I have to see him in an NFL program for more than one year of coaching before I write the guy completely off.
Brohm is not going to Buffalo to start anyway, he's competing strictly for the 3rd string spot, IMO.
We wrote him off simply because Green Bay didn't think enough of him to even keep him on their roster for development. They exposed him to waivers to put him on their training roster but any of 31 other GM's could have claimed him but none of them did which IMO speaks volumes about his potential after they witnessed him in pre season games where he completely stunk. It is extremely rare that all 32 GM's think he has no real talent and wouldn't even give a second round pick a look by claiming him off waivers before the season started.
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This I actually do want to hear. Honestly, it sounds like an interesting lecture.
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This I actually do want to hear. Honestly, it sounds like an interesting lecture.
I agree. As a history major myself I'd sign up for that one.
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In a nutshell, as societies shifted away from nomadic lifestyles, cosmologies likewise shifted away from beief systems based on nature. This also leads to a gradual shift from polytheistic beliefs as well, although not in quite as linear of a fashion.

The biggest reason is that if you don't travel with sheep, sacrificing a sheep to God is much more burdensome and illogical. At one point, Buddhists, Hindus, and Jews all practiced animal sacrifice, but changed their beliefs to appeal to the mercantile and urban classes which were growing as a result of increased agricultural production and trade. Likewise, Jesus' literal death marked an end of animal sacrifices as he took on all physical punishment for the forgiveness of sin.

The new form of sacrifice came to be internal. Not by destroying what one owned, but by restricting ones actions (diet, sex, etc) as a means of showing both loyalty and submission. As societies became more literate, standards of social morality were easier to enforce and explain, while non-animalistic dieties became more easier to conceptualize when people could more easily conceptualize the metaphysical.

In a nutshell.
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I know nothing on the subject, but I'm going to assume that as humans became more sedentary they also started to develop agriculture, which lead to less worshiping of animals.

That's assuming you meant non-anthropomorphic gods. Anyways, am I close?!?!?
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In a nutshell, as societies shifted away from nomadic lifestyles, cosmologies likewise shifted away from beief systems based on nature.
I don't disagree with this or anything and I see your point that the religion became less "based on nature" but nature still played an important role in early monotheistic (Christianity from what I've read) and well into the era of guys like Francis Bacon,who was a Christian as well. Again, not trying to contradict, just worth noting.
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You say that now. The search button is a friendly tool to have. Here's what I came up with. You did a couple mocks in '07 leading up the draft. Months ahead but nonetheless.

You had Brohm going number 9, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 16, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 4, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

And number 15, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 7, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13677

Number 5, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13470

And you say he wasn't good value in the second round to put behind a guy that never started a game and was injury prone?
I figured this was on the boards somewhere, but I just didn't have the time or the care to look it up. Thanks tj.

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Dude. I am NOT an NFL GM. I know hardly more about college scouting than your mother. That's my whole point.

WE DON'T DECIDE WHAT VALUE IS. SCOTT DOESN'T DECIDE WHAT VALUE IS. NFL GM'S DECIDE WHAT VALUE IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS AND IT IS THERE JOB.

You just wasted a lot of time for nothing.
AKA the Brady Quinn dilemma.
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what's the difference in signing a qb from FA and drafting one? the team felt like Brohm was a better option then what we could have signed and took him. We wanted to get better, not settle.
There's a major difference. Sign a veteran QB and you get to keep your second round pick.
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I figured this was on the boards somewhere, but I just didn't have the time or the care to look it up. Thanks tj.

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how is that from any importance? it was a bad pick, besides, those mocks were like 2 months from the draft so how is that relevant
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