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Old 11-20-2009, 08:11 PM    (permalink
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how is that from any importance? it was a bad pick, besides, those mocks were like 2 months from the draft so how is that relevant
He said that Brohm was bad value but he had him going early to mid first in his mocks.
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You say that now. The search button is a friendly tool to have. Here's what I came up with. You did a couple mocks in '07 leading up the draft. Months ahead but nonetheless.

You had Brohm going number 9, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 16, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 4, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

And number 15, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...ht=Brian+Brohm

Number 7, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13677

Number 5, here.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13470

And you say he wasn't good value in the second round to put behind a guy that never started a game and was injury prone?


Man, that stuff is from like October and November, you realize how many guys look like 1st rounders at that point? I remember when Adarius Bowman was a top 10 pick in everyones mock as soon as the CFB season started, that really doesn't mean anything as far as what someone's real value was when the actual draft happened.
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I think everyone is missing the bigger picture, which is that none of us really know what the **** we're talking about, and comparing someone's mock to an actual decision made by an NFL front office is ridiculous.

"Well.....every other GM has passed on Brohm so far, but Bearsfan_51 had him in the 1st round in his mock a few months ago, so he must be a steal here!!"
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I think everyone is missing the bigger picture, which is that none of us really know what the **** we're talking about, and comparing someone's mock to an actual decision made by an NFL front office is ridiculous.

"Well.....every other GM has passed on Brohm so far, but Bearsfan_51 had him in the 1st round in his mock a few months ago, so he must be a steal here!!"
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Except you weren't the only one. Brohm was widely considered the top QB in that class for awhile.
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Except you weren't the only one. Brohm was widely considered the top QB in that class for awhile.
By who? People that actually make those decisions, or dorks on the internet and media people who don't know their head from their ass?
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I still can't believe there's this much conversation about a practice squad QB
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By who? People that actually make those decisions, or dorks on the internet and media people who don't know their head from their ass?
Obviously the latter. But isn't that what we base our opinions on? Media, and people like Scott, Kiper, McShay. And I wouldn't consider these "draft experts" as people who don't know their head from their ass, there is a reason he's kept his kept his job. I don't know how to access Kiper's archives but I guarantee you Brohm spent a good amount of time in his top 25.

Ok I stumbled across this video, albeit helping both of our cases, I think it will make you laugh more than anything.



They thought it was a good pick, but obviously not for the same reason I thought it was. They believed him to be the starter, and I thought it was a great backup plan. However they also thought Brohm would be starting by now :roll:

Regardless I agreed with the pick then and I agree with it now. QB was a need at the time because Rodgers was the only QB on the roster. Favre retired and Nall was either a FA or traded if I recall. That explains them drafting 2 QB's. Thompson has never been big on FA.
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That video is pretty funny in retrospect. Brohm said American Cheese was his favorite cheese, so he didn't deserve to succeed anyway.
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I think everyone is missing the bigger picture, which is that none of us really know what the **** we're talking about, and comparing someone's mock to an actual decision made by an NFL front office is ridiculous.

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Brian Brohm may have been unduly hyped by the NFLDC think-tank, compared to this man though....



NFLDC is, as a whole, dead-on about the RB position; but we suck at evaluating quarterbacks.
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NFLDC is, as a whole, dead-on about the RB position; but we suck at evaluating quarterbacks.
At least everybody knew Russell the Raider was a giant fuckup.
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By who? People that actually make those decisions, or dorks on the internet and media people who don't know their head from their ass?
I'll tell you who, Mel F***ing Kiper. The best draft analyst espn has to offer. http://www.brianbrohmonline.com/Bria...--20070611.php

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It's funny to me how much people hate on Merril Hoge, because his % of being right vs. wrong has to be so much better than almost everyone else. Vince Young, Mike Williams, etc.
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It's funny to me how much people hate on Merril Hoge, because his % of being right vs. wrong has to be so much better than almost everyone else. Vince Young, Mike Williams, etc.
He will always get props for being so ridiculously right on Mike Williams while Kiper had him in the hall of fame, literally.
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It's funny to me how much people hate on Merril Hoge, because his % of being right vs. wrong has to be so much better than almost everyone else. Vince Young, Mike Williams, etc.
I dont hate on him. I used to rock a quote of his in my sig: "Which ever team drafts Vince Young, will be out of a job in three years." You think that comes true if they dont bench him for Collins? Just sayin'...
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Fitzpatrick had a relatively good game, but that doesn't mean he's safe from Brohmzzz. The Jaguars are terrible against the pass, and were without Rashean Mathis, their best player. **** was gonna happen anyways.
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Until they got to the F and R part of the QB list that year :D
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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I officially predict that this will instill a whole lot more debate into the Brohm situation. Atlanta's secondary is dreadful and T.O. will view this as yet another chance to show he can still help a team. Motivated Owens+no film on Brohm for ATL=a chance for Brohm to go into next year with a shot at starting.
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I question Brohm's ability to pick up a pro style offense. He had no confidence when he was in Green Bay and he couldn't even move the ball in preseason with our 1st stringers. I still can't believe it when Ted Thompson said he was considering trading up in the 1st round to take Brohm.

On another note: I wish the Bills would trade Lee Evans
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