Best WR in the NFC East?

[Nebula]

Originally Posted by JustDezIT

I have no time to respond to his ******** quote now, I will tomorrow.

In short, it's obvious that Dez banged his mom and perhaps sister. Really hard. Really, really hard.

Uh, no. I'm not saying Dez Bryant isn't highly talented -- he definitely is. Nicks is just better. Not by a large margin, but slightly.

And the reason why you don't want to respond is clearly because you have no argument, you know what I said about bryant is percetly true and you can't say a damn thing about it. That's the problem with you cowboys fan, you believe you are the best at everything. The best rb's, best receiver, the most talented roster in the nfl, etc. and all that leads is too more and more disappointment. Try being a realist and you'll go through less pains and disappointments ;)

[TheFinisher]

Originally Posted by Nebula

A) Work ethic: You're talking about a guy who comes in late, leaves early. Immature.

You have no idea what Dez Bryant's work ethic is. The guy who said all that trash about Dez over the radio was the same guy who lost his job to Dez Bryant, and he has a history of being a media *****. There have been no complaints from anybody inside the organization that have resembled anything like this. Dez actually missed all of training camp and got up to speed to be ready for opening week, and that tells me that his work ethic is the total opposite of what you're saying. So unless you're sitting in the Wide Receiver meetings yourself, this statement is completely false..

Originally Posted by Nebula

B): Consistency: Very inconsistent. Disappears in games. Similar to desean jackson he doesn't play great when he's not involved early

What inconsistencies are you talking about here? The only inconsistent thing about Bryan this season were his snaps and his targets. He never had lapses in concentration or struggled with drops this year, so what about him was inconsistent? This might be hard to answer for you because they don't post things like that in the stat sheet.

Originally Posted by Nebula

C): Route Running: Very poor route runner. Can't read coverages and never shows the ability to sit in a soft spot. Footwork and cuts in route running are below average at best, he hardly gets separation

Every single rookie wideout struggles with recognizing coverages their first year, this is across the board. In fact, name me one receiver who was an elite route runner their first year in the league. As far as you saying he can't get in and out of his breaks and struggles to get separation, well that's just bologna and you should go back and watch the tape.

Originally Posted by Nebula

D): Speed: Above average speed. Not someone who is going to run by you and defenders can recover when they get beat because of this

Well unfortunately for you Dez consistently ran by DBs on Go routes all season long. He also housed not one, but two punts for touchdowns where he outran everybody.

If you still question his speed go watch the second Giants game where he caught that screen pass up the sideline.

Originally Posted by Nebula

E): Natural athletic ability: This the ONLY good thing about Dez Bryant. And damn it, I mean the ONLY. He is a very physical receiver that has super strong hands that allows him to catch the ball at its highest points. Unathletic DBs look ridiculous trying to compete for the football with him. It's very hard to make a play on the ball in coverage because he's so phyiscal. Bryant also has great body control. Very talented playing the ball in the air.

I don't know how to respond to the first two sentences here, except that they're totally wrong. The only other Receivers in the league that have equal natural athletic ability to Dez are probably Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss just off the top of my head. He has all the physical tools you look for in a pass catcher.

Originally Posted by Nebula

Essentially, Dez Bryant isn't an elite receiver and probably most likely will not because of his poor intangibles and work habits. Maclin and Nicks have much more upside and it's not even close. Sorry to the cowboys homer that believe every player on their team is great. I mean, heck, didn't you people say you have the most talented backfield in the NFL? Looks like your runningbacks arent as talented as people thought, heh..

I don't think you understand what upside is. RIP explained it for you a few posts back, so maybe you should re-read what he wrote before you post any more foolishness.

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Originally Posted by Nebula

Uh, no. I'm not saying Dez Bryant isn't highly talented -- he definitely is. Nicks is just better. Not by a large margin, but slightly.

And the reason why you don't want to respond is clearly because you have no argument, you know what I said about bryant is percetly true and you can't say a damn thing about it. That's the problem with you cowboys fan, you believe you are the best at everything. The best rb's, best receiver, the most talented roster in the nfl, etc. and all that leads is too more and more disappointment. Try being a realist and you'll go through less pains and disappointments ;)

If you are a giants fan I can see your homerism and wanting nicks to be better, but just look at the games Dez had AGAINST YOUR TEAM. First game, 2 recieving TD's and one of the sexiest punt returns in recent memory.

Game two, over 100 yards on 3 CATCHES and that sexy touchdown.

Not to mention making terrell thomas cry in his sleep for the next decade cause he made him his *****, ****, and mother in one season.

BBD, the most respected giants poster on this board even says Dez is better.

Relax, it's ok.

[scottyboy]

for the record, what does punt returns have to do with being a great WR? I mean, are Devin Hester and Dante Hall considered elite WRs?

[Nebula]

Originally Posted by TheFinisher

You have no idea what Dez Bryant's work ethic is. The guy who said all that trash about Dez over the radio was the same guy who lost his job to Dez Bryant, and he has a history of being a media *****. There have been no complaints from anybody inside the organization that have resembled anything like this. Dez actually missed all of training camp and got up to speed to be ready for opening week, and that tells me that his work ethic is the total opposite of what you're saying. So unless you're sitting in the Wide Receiver meetings yourself, this statement is completely false..

You think he would make up something about Dez Bryant just because he replaced him? That's stupid, he's right on. To call patrick crayton a liar about how the team lets dez bryant get away with a lot of things is just denial by you. Its not only that instance, but plenty of other showing signs and reports. He had an ankle issue, credit to him for getting on the field but it wasn't an injury that required absolutely serious rehab and that would take a large amount of hard work to heal pretty fast.

What inconsistencies are you talking about here? The only inconsistent thing about Bryan this season were his snaps and his targets. He never had lapses in concentration or struggled with drops this year, so what about him was inconsistent? This might be hard to answer for you because they don't post things like that in the stat sheet.

What inconsistencies am I talking about? You read what I said don't put words in my mouth I wasn't talking about his drops or things like that. When he doesn't get involved early he tends to dissappear and get incredibly frustrated for not being in the flow of the game. You saw how he called for the ball - Garrett called 3 plays in a row for him and then Dallas went 3 & out and missed a long field goal against the saints. And other stretches as well.

Every single rookie wideout struggles with recognizing coverages their first year, this is across the board. In fact, name me one receiver who was an elite route runner their first year in the league.

Nicks didn't struggle recognizing coverages and soft spots. Maclin didn't struggle (he did struggle getting off press coverage though but thats another subject). Learning how to sit in zone coverage is another subject about work ethic. Thats about studying film and working with your coaches. If anything that's another thing detrimental to Bryant's work habits. And I'm not saying he has to be "elite" in this category but at least do it adequately. He had many games with 3 receptions or less.

As far as you saying he can't get in and out of his breaks and struggles to get separation, well that's just bologna and you should go back and watch the tape.

I'm convinced you're a little in denial here. How about YOU go look at all of bryant's plays as a WR. He got little actual separation, most of the time defenders had good coverage -- it's just Bryant is very good at grabbing the ball at its highest point with his huge strong hands to grab it. That's what I meant by that's the only thing he does elite and Nicks can do what Bryant does just as good.

Well unfortunately for you Dez consistently ran by DBs on Go routes all season long. He also housed not one, but two punts for touchdowns where he outran everybody.

If you still question his speed go watch the second Giants game where he caught that screen pass up the sideline.

This is about him being the best WR in the division, not returner. Anyway staying on topic, outside of one play against the Giants in november -- when exactly did he run by someone with a go route. Sure he made some plays on go routes but he didn't "run by" someone, half the time defenders had good coverage but Bryant came down with the ball or the DB didn't get their head turned around which was poor technique by them.

I don't know how to respond to the first two sentences here, except that they're totally wrong. The only other Receivers in the league that have equal natural athletic ability to Dez are probably Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss just off the top of my head. He has all the physical tools you look for in a pass catcher.

I, as a Giants fan, have learned to take what cowboys fans say with a grain of salt. I mean these are the same people who thought felix jones was a top 5 back in the league and had the NFL's best roster coming into the season so I can't blame you saying Dez Bryant is the most physically gifted WR in the nfl behind calvin johnson and randy moss. But I can't just let this go...

Sorry but Calvin Johnson has superior straight line speed, frame, size, and length. Bryant is very naturally talented but he's at top 15 level in terms of athletic ability, not the best in the league man. I'm giving Bryant credit here, he's awfully talented at snatching the football in the air with his strong hands but Nicks can do that just as well and the other things that makes Bryant flawed is what Nicks excells at. So by that logic, Nicks > Bryant. He's about equal with Bryant in terms of athletic ability and superior in terms of route running ability, work ethic, and consistency (both are equal however in terms of straight-line speed). Bryant has loads of things to work on before he can become an elite WR or the best in the division.

I don't think you understand what upside is. RIP explained it for you a few posts back, so maybe you should re-read what he wrote before you post any more foolishness.

I know what the hell it is and I know Bryant has that. BUT NICKS IS BETTER, THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. Bryant is very talented but needs to work on the things I mentioned before he's considered the best receiver in the division

[cunningham06]

You're wasting your time arguing with Cowboys fanboys. Anyone not on the Cowboys couldn't be the best, right?

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Originally Posted by cunningham06

You're wasting your time arguing with Cowboys fanboys. Anyone not on the Cowboys couldn't be the best, right?

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We are talking about Dez Bryant here...

God made the earth in 7 days... Dez could do it in 6.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by CDCB14

If you are a giants fan I can see your homerism and wanting nicks to be better, but just look at the games Dez had AGAINST YOUR TEAM. First game, 2 recieving TD's and one of the sexiest punt returns in recent memory.

Game two, over 100 yards on 3 CATCHES and that sexy touchdown.

Not to mention making terrell thomas cry in his sleep for the next decade cause he made him his *****, ****, and mother in one season.

BBD, the most respected giants poster on this board even says Dez is better.

Relax, it's ok.

Calm down. I said Dez will be the best. He's not there yet, as of right now Nicks along with several other WRs are better.

[Sniper]

Everybody brings punts back for touchdowns against the Giants. It's only cool if you do it with no time left on the clock, though.

[bigbluedefense]

It's too early to throw salt on my wounds Sniper. It's too early.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

It's too early to throw salt on my wounds Sniper. It's too early.

I got you something to kill to make up for it.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Sniper

I got you something to kill to make up for it.

This actually just makes me even more depressed.

[Giantsfan1080]

The Jackson TD doesn't bother me at all. The game was over at that point anyway. A diagram of Cover 2 on the other hand gets to me also.

[scottyboy]

sniper, us giants fans didn't do anything wrong. why are you hurting us so?

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

sniper, us giants fans didn't do anything wrong. why are you hurting us so?

I'm sorry. Have some juicy, delicious thighs.

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Hey sniper:



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It's ok though, it's the eagles!!!!

Anyway, as for Dez, i'm just kidding around BBD. it's just funny how pissed some people get.

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double post.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by CDCB14

Hey sniper:



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It's ok though, it's the eagles!!!!

Anyway, as for Dez, i'm just kidding around BBD. it's just funny how pissed some people get.

It's probably because anytime a Cowboy player has a breakout season (most) Cowboys fans feel the need to proclaim him the best at his position. Jenkins, Miles, now Dez.

I don't think many people are saying he won't be the best WR in the division, but as always, give it some time. Prove it to everyone over the course of a couple seasons, like Miles did.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by Forenci

It's probably because anytime a Cowboy player has a breakout season (most) Cowboys fans feel the need to proclaim him the best at his position. Jenkins, Miles, now Dez.

I don't think many people are saying he won't be the best WR in the division, but as always, give it some time. Prove it to everyone over the course of a couple seasons, like Miles did.

This is true. You might as well throw Felix Jones into the group as well. CDC is one of the most sensitive people ever when it comes to Dez so I don't know why he's talking about people being pissed. But hard to not expect these things to turn into raging homer debates, it'll go good for a few pages then everyone starts spazzing out.


Before if you didn't mention Maclin's name it was an 8 page debate, now if anyone is better then Dez it's followed by "***** ************ hahahahahaah ******", then CAPITALIZE the IMPORTANT WORDS, then the people who get sick of that have to make Dez seem worse then what he really is, etc etc for 8 pages.


I love to hear what other teams fans have to say about different players but some of this arguing is really pointless. Dez or Nicks? Who cares. I think Nicks is better now too, but it's a toss up who actually is, or will be longterm, and hell they both look like top 10 WR's at one point so why are we splitting hairs over it.


I can't wait for a new poll to be started come August/September, this one has ran its course but it's always good for entertainment every few months.

[bigbluedefense]

Individual rankings don't mean much to me. What matters is Philly was the best team in the division this past year, followed by the Giants, then Cowboys, then Redskins.

It's all about what the team does, individual accomplishments don't mean much.

We could have the worst players at every position as far as I'm concerned, I just want the team to win the SB. Opinions on players will sort itself out, but my concern is rooting for the team to win it all, that's pretty much it.

[D-Unit]

Best WR is Dez. He proved it too.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Best WR is Dez. He proved it too.

You're a jerk.

[BaLLiN]

Victor Cruz will be the best WR in the NFC East....



....in the preseason

[LonghornsLegend]

I'm curious to get some opinions on Hankerson before he suits it up on how good or bad you guys think he'll be. He's the next WR in line to try and get into the discussion and was a great pick for Washington.


I don't know that he'll ever become a top 10 WR in the NFL, but I think he's gonna be really solid and produce from day 1.

[bigbluedefense]

I didn't see much of him. He seemed like a solid possession WR. Maybe a poor man's BMarsh.

We won't know much about him this year until the Redskins clean up that godawful qb situation.

Aaaah, the Redskins. The gift that keeps on giving.