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View Poll Results: Who's the best WR?
DeSean Jackson, Eagles 67 72.04%
Miles Austin, Cowboys 15 16.13%
Steve Smith, Giants 6 6.45%
Santana Moss, Redskins 1 1.08%
Mario Manningham, Giants 3 3.23%
Other 1 1.08%
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D Jax is by far the best, but one thing that blows my mind is how many times teams have just completely failed to cover him. This guy needs to be doubled at ALL times.
DJax has Steve Smith's ability (the giants version) of finding holes in coverage, combined with blazing speed.

He's just a playmaker in every sense. The new Carolina Steve Smith.

Im just amazed that Bill Sheridan didn't even have him pressed at the line, nor put CWeb on him. It was zone the entire game with letting DJax run his routes clean with no jams.

It was moronic.
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Miles Austin is still better.

999 yards and 10 TDs on 58 catches.
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Miles Austin is still better.

999 yards and 10 TDs on 58 catches.
And tell me how many of those yards/TD's came against the bottom of the league pass defenses?
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And tell me how many of those yards/TD's came against the bottom of the league pass defenses?
Dallas must of had the easiest schedule on earth according to most of you guys.
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Dallas must of had the easiest schedule on earth according to most of you guys.
Haha, I don't think that personally but the person who said Austin is better than Desean Jackson is crazy if you ask me.

Besides we all play the same schedule anyways.
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Haha, I don't think that personally but the person who said Austin is better than Desean Jackson is crazy if you ask me.

Besides we all play the same schedule anyways.
I feel the same way too, but then again Austin only has like 5 votes in this poll total, I guess if you just want something to argue over cool but it's really only a few people nothing to go nuts over.


People just keep bringing up the schedule argument with Austin like Dallas is playing teams picking in the top 5 of the draft on a weekly basis.


Well let me correct that, I don't think anyone is crazy if they prefer Austin, I just wouldn't agree, but it's not like Austin is just beating up on cupcakes. The only games he hasn't scored in since he became a starter is 2, Washington and Green Bay. So I guess every other team he has faced sucks pretty much, even though almost all of those teams Philadelphia faces as well.
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Dallas must of had the easiest schedule on earth according to most of you guys.
No, I think Miles is a quality player, who has showed up in just about every single game making at least one play. But his stats are padded by the Chiefs game and some others. I'm fine with him being called a good player, which he is. But when you start calling him the best, and bringing up his stats to do so, then theres my problem.
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No, I think Miles is a quality player, who has showed up in just about every single game making at least one play. But his stats are padded by the Chiefs game and some others. I'm fine with him being called a good player, which he is. But when you start calling him the best, and bringing up his stats to do so, then theres my problem.
Exactly, you can say he is a good player because he is but his stats are severely boosted by going against scrub #2 corners on Atlanta and Kansas City. People have to realize that those were isolated events and are not what you can expect from Miles Austin at all.
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I feel the same way too, but then again Austin only has like 5 votes in this poll total, I guess if you just want something to argue over cool but it's really only a few people nothing to go nuts over.


People just keep bringing up the schedule argument with Austin like Dallas is playing teams picking in the top 5 of the draft on a weekly basis.


Well let me correct that, I don't think anyone is crazy if they prefer Austin, I just wouldn't agree, but it's not like Austin is just beating up on cupcakes. The only games he hasn't scored in since he became a starter is 2, Washington and Green Bay. So I guess every other team he has faced sucks pretty much, even though almost all of those teams Philadelphia faces as well.
I don't have a problem with people prefering Austin over Jackson, in fact I may actually prefer Austin over Jackson, but I do think it's a bit 'out there' to think he's actually better than Jackson as a player right now.

I think Jackson right now is clearly the best WR in the division, and if you want to lump Austin, Steve Smith and maybe a couple others right behind him in terms of ability or how good they are I don't really have a problem with it.
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Exactly, you can say he is a good player because he is but his stats are severely boosted by going against scrub #2 corners on Atlanta and Kansas City. People have to realize that those were isolated events and are not what you can expect from Miles Austin at all.
So are we also going to not count Desean Jackson's 6 catch, 148 yard, 1 TD game vs KC also? Or did you forget that he played KC and 'padded stats' that week also? Austin still has more TD's if you take away the KC game, include Jackson', and also considering he has less starts.


You don't think Fitzgerald and Boldin 'pad stats' when they face SF, STL, and Seattle twice a year? It would be different if that were his only 100 yard game, or only game where he scored a TD.
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Haha, this stuff is just comical.

You take Austin's KC performance away and he's just barely lower than Jackson's numbers despite starting three fewer games.

Nice argument.
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D jackson.. It's not even close. The guy is out of his mind!
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Ok guys, humor me. So production doesn't matter. Fine. You can believe what you want.

So what DOES matter?

And since production doesn't matter, I'm going to point out the obvious: Randal Williams is the best receiver ever. You morons can try to tell me about the numbers or whatever, but I know better. The numbers lie.
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Everyone who watches the games knows that Jackson is far and away the best receiver in the division and the poll clearly reflects that.
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yeah, but you didn't (can't?) answer the question.

WHY?
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yeah, but you didn't (can't?) answer the question.

WHY?
He does a better job of finding holes in coverage, has deadly speed that lets him create separation at will on any route and is off his ****** rocker with the ball in his hands. Happy?
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If production is the only thing that matters, Steve Smith is the best receiver in the division, not Austin. Obviously it does tell part of the story, but you can't use that as your only argument. There are many factors that go into it, for example, the eagles spread the ball around more than the cowboys, and McNabb doesn't have to rely on DeSean as much as Romo relied on Austin when he got a bunch of those stats. Have you noticed how much Austin's production has dropped since Roy Williams has been improving? Austin isn't bad by any means, but the homer in you is leading you to believe he is an elite receiver, which he is not. DeSean is quickly becoming known around the league as one of the most, if not the most, explosive players in the NFL.
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If production is the only thing that matters, Steve Smith is the best receiver in the division, not Austin.
Smith: 85 catches, 1,053 yards and five touchdowns
Austin: 58 catches, 999 yards and 10 touchdowns in five fewer starts

Austin's production is better.

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Obviously it does tell part of the story, but you can't use that as your only argument. There are many factors that go into it, for example, the eagles spread the ball around more than the cowboys, and McNabb doesn't have to rely on DeSean as much as Romo relied on Austin when he got a bunch of those stats.
Actually, Philly spreads the ball around less than Dallas (as far as Austin and Jackson are concerned).

Jackson: 24% of Philly receptions
Austin: 21% of Dallas receptions

I don't see how that's a good argument, regardless. Why would the Eagles try to throw it to other people if Jackson is their most dangerous runner? Moreover, why is it more likely that they're consciously trying to spread the ball around than it is Jackson just isn't open as much?

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Have you noticed how much Austin's production has dropped since Roy Williams has been improving?
First of all, this is a terrible argument because it's such a small sample size and Roy's production increase is directly attributable to the double coverage Austin consistently sees now.

But I'll play along.

Here are Austin's numbers post "improved (read: single covered) Roy Williams":

32 catches, 436 yards and 4 TDs in 6 weeks

That production over 16 games: 85 catches, 1,162 yards and 11 TDs.

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Austin isn't bad by any means, but the homer in you is leading you to believe he is an elite receiver, which he is not. DeSean is quickly becoming known around the league as one of the most, if not the most, explosive players in the NFL.
I appreciate you taking the time to actually list reasons why you think what you do, but your reasoning is way off the mark.
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LAWL.

Carry on with your superstitions, in that case.
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If production is the only thing that matters, Steve Smith is the best receiver in the division, not Austin. Obviously it does tell part of the story, but you can't use that as your only argument. There are many factors that go into it, for example, the eagles spread the ball around more than the cowboys, and McNabb doesn't have to rely on DeSean as much as Romo relied on Austin when he got a bunch of those stats. Have you noticed how much Austin's production has dropped since Roy Williams has been improving? Austin isn't bad by any means, but the homer in you is leading you to believe he is an elite receiver, which he is not. DeSean is quickly becoming known around the league as one of the most, if not the most, explosive players in the NFL.
Oh sweet jesus.

DeSean is the bestestestssss. Austin is a JAG.

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Old 12-21-2009, 02:10 AM    (permalink
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Austin post-good Roy Williams: 39 catches, 575 yards, 5 TDs in 7 weeks

16 game version: 89 catches, 1,314 yards, 11 TDs

Not impressed.
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Ok so for the ppl that are talking about production lets look at the real numbers. (and since neither Austin or Smith return kicks I will leave that out but in reality it shouldnt be overlooked)

M. Austin:
65 rec
1138 rec yds + 11 rus yds= 1149 scrim yds
11 rec TDs

D. Jackson:
56 rec
1087 rec yds + 134 rus yds= 1221 scrim yds
8 rec TDs + 1 rus TD= 9 tot TDs

S. Smith (13 games):
85 rec
1053 rec yds
5 rec TDs

Now if we counted all purpose yds/TDs (415 ret yds/2 TDs) there absolutley no doubt who is the most productive player.
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DeSean Jackson stat tracker:
Receiving: 56 receptions 1087 yards 8 TDs
Rushing: 134 yards and 1 rushing TD
Returns: 17.3 punt return average and 2 punts returned for touchdowns
Total: 1,636 all purpose yards and 11 touchdowns.
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I think Desean is the best as well but, Punt return yards shouldnt even come into question when talking about the best, wide receiver. It's not like we even use Miles as a return man anymore.
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I just want to know if there are still any doubters about Austin out there...
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