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Old 12-04-2009, 11:20 AM    (permalink
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The crazy thing about Revis' ball skills is that there is still tons of room for improvement in that area. He was never heralded as a ball hawk coming out either, and now look at where he is, with five INTs for the second straight year, while maintaining his rep as one of, if not the best, shutdown corners in the league.

Yesterday aside from his one pick he dropped another two that he probably should have taken a better angle to. Fundamentally he is as good as they come; he has a great feel for the position, and knows where his man is at all times, as well as doing an outstanding job of staying in front of him at all times. Some corners decide not to do this in fear of misjudging the ball and getting burned for six. It really is a risky thing to do if you do not have great anticipation skills.

Everyone likes to bring up his dominance in man coverage, but I have seen him diagnose plays better than just about every other DB in zone coverage, and seemingly knock down pass after pass, too, like a safety would. Evidenced by his league-leading 23 passes defended (next closest player is Leon Hall with 17).

I have watched many Jets games this season (I am a huge Mark Sanchez guy, of course), and I am a Raiders fan, but based off this year’s play alone I would have to give Revis the honor of top corner in the league. There really is not a flaw to his game right now, and he has had immediate success at one of the toughest positions to master in football, especially with all the rules changes over the years that have shifted in favor of the offense.

Revis is without a doubt a blue-chip player anyone would love to build their organization around. Great character also, not much of a talker, and a very humble individual. The sky is the limit.
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i'm not suggesting that revis' were bad picks. but let's take deltha o'neal in 2000 (iirc). literally EVERY single int he had was the result of a bad pass, he never had to make a play on the ball. but because he ended up with like, 10 ints, he was suddenly talked about as a "top" CB. in that case, the ints were completely irrelevant in the discussion of his ability, because it took next to no ability to get them.

like i said, i have seen roughly 1.2 quarters of jets football since week one, so i have no idea how "good" revis' picks were. but the idea that they can always even be somewhat relevant is just not true.
Reading Deltha's career stats is hilarious. He has a season with 9 picks, a season with 10 picks, and three seasons with just one.
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I think it's nearly impossible to rank corners. So many other variables come into play. Scheme, pass rush, safety help, and even who the other corner is all have huge impacts.

And then there's the question of what you want from a corner. Revis is certainly more of a playmaker than Aso, but one can still make the argument that Aso more consistently shuts down his guy.

But I will say that Aso, Revis, and Woodson are clearly the top 3 in the game.
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On another forum I had to read that the reason Revis succeeds is because he is allowed to be illegally physical in his coverage. That he is constantly arm barring, hand fighting and bumping receivers past 5 yards. So blatantly, in fact, that the author claimed that Revis must pay off the referees.

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So blatantly, in fact, that the author claimed that Revis must pay off the referees.
He is just trying to even the playing field.

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Andre Goodman is pretty good, man.
An interesting story on him. He came to the Dolphins in 06 and for the 06 and 07 season is was an ok corner for us. In the 08 season for the first half of the season or so he played awful and kept getting burnt time after time again. Then during the week of mid season he missed practice cause of family reasons and his teammates and coaches was praying for him and hoping he's ok so obiously it was something that was serious for him and his family. Once he came back after that, he was a whole new guy out there and was starting to play pretty damn well. Probably the best he's ever played and he's continuing to do so for the Broncos. So what ever that family thing was really sparked Goodman and gave him new life out their on the field.

Back to the thread topic, hands down its Revis. He's money out their. I dunno what his contract is and if he's on his rookie deal then its prob up here soon. So if I was the Jets, I would lock him up as soon as I can.
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http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

revis 43% completion against 11.1 YPC 55.3 QB rating against 11 pass deflections 2 interceptions and 2 touchdowns given up
woodson 54% completion against 11.9 YPC 58.5 QB rating against 3 pass deflections 7 interceptions and 2 touchdowns given up

woodson however has 27 stops(solo defensive tackles which constitute an offensive failure) to revis' 10 and 2 sacks, 2 hits, and 5 pressures. charles also has 20 more tackles.

revis holds a slight edge in coverage, but woodson is a better all around player. i would take either one of them.

aso is low from teams completing 19 of 23 passes against him. for comparison revis allowed only 28 of 65 and woodson 29 of 54 passes. but then again teams run on oakland and those passes could have been in easier situations. regardless:stats don't lie.
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Revis is absolutely disgusting. He shouldn't be allowed in the game. Takes away an entire side of the field for all intensive purposes, and does it in a variety of coverages. Anybody who can make Randy Moss look like a scrub can play on my team. I still love Nnamndi, but Revis shuts people down just as well and is just a flatout player maker as well.
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revis 43% completion against 11.1 YPC 55.3 QB rating against 11 pass deflections 2 interceptions and 2 touchdowns given up
woodson 54% completion against 11.9 YPC 58.5 QB rating against 3 pass deflections 7 interceptions and 2 touchdowns given up

woodson however has 27 stops(solo defensive tackles which constitute an offensive failure) to revis' 10 and 2 sacks, 2 hits, and 5 pressures. charles also has 20 more tackles.

revis holds a slight edge in coverage, but woodson is a better all around player. i would take either one of them.

aso is low from teams completing 19 of 23 passes against him. for comparison revis allowed only 28 of 65 and woodson 29 of 54 passes. but then again teams run on oakland and those passes could have been in easier situations. regardless:stats don't lie.

Stats do lie. That same website has Ray Edwards ranked above Jared Allen, Tramon Williams as the 8th best CB in the league, and Justin Forsett as the 5th best RB. Profootballfocus is garbage.

All three are great, and it's interesting that in Aso's "down year" he's been thrown at 23 times in 11 games.
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Stats do lie. That same website has Ray Edwards ranked above Jared Allen, Tramon Williams as the 8th best CB in the league, and Justin Forsett as the 5th best RB. Profootballfocus is garbage.

All three are great, and it's interesting that in Aso's "down year" he's been thrown at 23 times in 11 games.
You're right. That website is pure crap. Aso is playing like the 41st best CB in the league? Yea, I don't think so.
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edwards doesn't have anything to do with revis and woodson, but yes there has to be some kind of thought going into any kind of analysis from these stats. i was throwing these stats out there to help people better gauge the difference between the 2. its not that great for 'who's the best' but its pretty good for helping see the differences.

and the worse stat is seeing jeff backus ranked as the 11th best tackle in the league due to his awesome run blocking. if he was that good then kevin smith should run behind him from now on.
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I have to say, that draft ended up being a pretty damn good draft for CB's.

Revis
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Chris Houston
Eric Wright

Plus Brandon Meriweather at safety.

Using Chris Houston and good CB in the same sentence is just wrong in so many ways.
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Using Chris Houston and good CB in the same sentence is just wrong in so many ways.
I mean, he was starting for awhile......................

Seriously though, I haven't watched close to enough Falcons games to make any kind of judgement. I just remember some Atlanta fans on the board talking him up at the end of last year/beginning of this year. Still, both Revis and Hall are very good/great young CB's, and I think Ross and Wright have at the very least shown flashes of being pretty good NFL CB's.
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Revis is probably the best in coverage right now, but Woodson is easily the best all-around corner right now. He's not even a full notch below Revis in coverage but is far better against the run and is a better playmaker. I would still rank Asomugha up at the top. He is still having a damn good year, just not as good as his 2007 or 2008.
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The old saying used to be that water covers half the earth and Charles Woodson covers the other half. Personally, I think it's Revis just because of who he's had to face week in and week out. Andre, Moss, MSW, Owens and so on.
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If we were picking corners for a game next week I would take Asomugha over anybody, if I was picking for the future it would be Revis without a doubt. I am reserving a little bit of judgement on Revis right now though, in those "prime-time" matchups he hasn't really been put on an island against a Moss or Johnson.
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This year it's between Revis and Woodson...both have been lights out. I think Revis has a very, very slight edge in coverage, but Woodson is better against the run, and they unleash him in blitzes which he's been great at.

Can't go wrong with either one.
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The old saying used to be that water covers half the earth and Charles Woodson covers the other half. Personally, I think it's Revis just because of who he's had to face week in and week out. Andre, Moss, MSW, Owens and so on.
No, the old saying was something along the lines of "Water covers 75% of the earth and Fred Smoot covers the rest". Guess who coined that phrase?
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:23 PM    (permalink
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I know. The originator of the quote did not.
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I know. The originator of the quote did not.
Lol like everyone hasn't used that phrase/quote at some point and just inserted their best player in the secondary in it at some point.
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Revis gets a ton of safety help
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Revis gets a ton of safety help
How many Jets games have you watched this season?
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