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Just wanted to see what everyone's opinions where in regards to the top 5 prospects at each front 7 position.

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Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska (6'4, 300)

Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma (6'4, 295) RS Junior

Authur Jones, Syracuse (6'4, 293)

Jared Odrick, Penn St. (6'5, 296)

Terrance Cody, Alabama (6'5, 365)


DE

Carlos Dunlap, Florida (6'6, 290) Junior has yet to declare

Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech (6'4, 272) Junior has yet to declare

Everson Griffin, Southern Cal (6'3, 265) Junior

Corey Wootton, Northwestern (6'6, 280)

Greg Hardy, Mississippi (6'4, 265)


OLB

Sergio Kindle, Texas (6'4, 255) DE/OLB Hybrid

Sean Witherspoon, Missouri (6'2, 245)

Eric Norwood, South Carolina (6'1, 252) DE/OLB Hybrid

Jerry Hughes, TCU (6'3, 257) DE/OLB Hybrid

Brandon Graham, Michigan (6'2, 263) DE/OLB Hyrbid


MLB

Rolando McClain, Alabma (6'4, 256) Junior has yet to declare

Brandon Spikes, Florida (6'3, 258)

Darryl Washington, TCU (6'3, 234)

Sean Lee, Penn State (6'2, 236)

Micah Johnson, Kentucky (6'2, 258)
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Defensive Tackle
- Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
- Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
- Brian Price, UCLA
- Arthur Jones, Syracuse
- Jared Odrick, Penn State

Defensive End
- Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech
- Everson Griffen, Southern Cal
- Corey Wootton, Northwestern
- Brandon Graham, Michigan
- Ricky Sapp, Clemson

Outside Linebacker
- Sergio Kindle, Texas
- Navorro Bowman, Penn State
- Sean Witherspoon, Missouri
- Eric Norwood, South Carolina
- Jerry Hughes, TCU

Inside Linebacker
- Rolando McClain, Alabama
- Daryl Washington, TCU
- Brandon Spikes, Florida
- Sean Lee, Penn State
- Pat Angerer, Iowa
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Great list. Thanks for youy input.

Your feelings on Tennessee OLB Rico McCoy?

Never heard of the UCLA DT. Will do some research on him now.
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Great list. Thanks for youy input.

Your feelings on Tennessee OLB Rico McCoy?

Never heard of the UCLA DT. Will do some research on him now.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of Brian Price. I think he's going to be a really good DT.

I've only seen McCoy play a couple of times, but, from what I can tell, he's a solid tackler who defends the pass well. He sometimes struggles to locate the ball in the running game (saw him get fooled by simple misdirections a couple of times against Florida), but has good burst to run the ball carrier down when he does.

I'm not really that interested in the LB prospects this year, though. I doubt we'll lose Ruud and we don't need to replace Hayes or Black unless we switch defensive systems again (which shouldn't happen unless Morris is fired). If we do pick a linebacker, I'd imagine it'd be a late round developmental guy for depth.
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I'm not really that interested in the LB prospects this year, though. I doubt we'll lose Ruud and we don't need to replace Hayes or Black unless we switch defensive systems again
I don't want to be too hard on Hayes and Black because they are young, but I hold them in regards just like I do Sabby, their a liability at times... Hayes/Black will make a big play one series and then miss a tackle or just plain get ran over the next... I guess a good Dline would free them up more to make more plays and this year will give them valuable expierence... But I wouldn't mind if the Buc's spent a 3rd or 4th round pick on a LB...
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I don't want to be too hard on Hayes and Black because they are young, but I hold them in regards just like I do Sabby, their a liability at times... Hayes/Black will make a big play one series and then miss a tackle or just plain get ran over the next... I guess a good Dline would free them up more to make more plays and this year will give them valuable expierence... But I wouldn't mind if the Buc's spent a 3rd or 4th round pick on a LB...
Hayes and Black will be fine given some time to work with the system. They're both intelligent and instinctive linebackers who have shown above average potential given the fact that the team completely switched defensive schemes halfway through their first year as starters.

I'm not going to throw a temper tantrum if we bring in a guy to compete with them, but, at the same time, I think we have a lot more pressing needs than any of the LB positions.
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I'm surprised you haven't heard of Brian Price. I think he's going to be a really good DT.

I've only seen McCoy play a couple of times, but, from what I can tell, he's a solid tackler who defends the pass well. He sometimes struggles to locate the ball in the running game (saw him get fooled by simple misdirections a couple of times against Florida), but has good burst to run the ball carrier down when he does.

I'm not really that interested in the LB prospects this year, though. I doubt we'll lose Ruud and we don't need to replace Hayes or Black unless we switch defensive systems again (which shouldn't happen unless Morris is fired). If we do pick a linebacker, I'd imagine it'd be a late round developmental guy for depth.
I work in retail (always work weekends) and only DVR'd Gator games this season. I have watched some USCw games out of boredom. lol

UCLA football gets put on the back burners as far as media coverage goes out here.

I am torn on if we need a OLB selected in the first 4 rounds of the upcoming draft. I get the impression that in the Tampa 2, it is preffered to have smaller faster OLBs. Is that correct?

It always seemed to me that our SAM was a different guy every year. (Brooks was WILL, no?) Rudd, Gold, Webster, etc....
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The Tampa 2 does place an emphasis on smaller, faster players in general, so, yes, the linebackers are generally smaller players who have sideline-to-sideline speed.

It does seem like we've had a different SAM every year, which is why I'd prefer to give Black a shot there. Geno should do just fine at WILL. Both are capable players. They simply need some time to settle into the system. I really don't feel like recycling players year-in and year-out just because we have the option of choosing a good player in the draft is the right way to go here.

The 4 positions we absolutely need to address in the first four rounds are DT, DE, CB and WR.

And, yes, Derrick Brooks was the WILL here.
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So you are happy with Penn and Trueblood at both Tackles?
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I'm not really that interested in the LB prospects this year, though. I doubt we'll lose Ruud and we don't need to replace Hayes or Black unless we switch defensive systems again (which shouldn't happen unless Morris is fired). If we do pick a linebacker, I'd imagine it'd be a late round developmental guy for depth.
I agree that we have much more pressing needs than adding another LB in the 2-4th rounds that may not be any significant improvement over the young mid-round LBs we currently have. However, Morris has mentioned that he does like to use 3-4 packages to mix things up. If that does continue, a hybrid DE/OLB may be worthy of a 1st/2nd round pick. We do desperately need a speed rusher and whether he puts his hand on the ground or not is irrelevant.
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So you are happy with Penn and Trueblood at both Tackles?
Penn - YES! Penn is extremely underrated. We should have locked him up long term last season. He is going to cost us a fortune in the near future.

Trueblood - Meh. Flozell Adams part II. Decent, but could certainly be replaced. Maybe Demar Dotson or Zuttah?
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So you are happy with Penn and Trueblood at both Tackles?
I still have high hopes for Penn. He's far exceded the expectations I had for him, given that he was an undrafted player. With that said, he's looked like absolute crap at times this season. The Falcons defensive line abused him yesterday up until the point where he got hurt.

Jeremy Trueblood has got to go though. I checked the news when I got home hoping to hear that we had cut his sorry butt, but, alas, my hopes were dashed. There are times when I watch him play and say to myself "Who let Kenyatta Walker back on this team?" When he's not getting beat by DEs, he's committing false starts (he lead the league in false starts this season) or getting some stupid drive-killing personal foul just as the offense starts moving the ball.
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Penn is definitely a keeper... And agreed about Trueblood..... I do like his nasty demeanor though.. The O line in general is overrated imo. Hopefully Sears gets his act together cause he is a stud..

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Legacy, boynamedsuh, caddy you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about this years draft, got a question and pardon but I didn't want to start a new thread...
Every year there are teams who reach for someone or suprise everyone with who they choose. If you had to predict or guess for this years draft what teams do you see reaching or pulling a shocker pick in the first round?
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First off, Hayes is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do here on D now and will be around as the WLB for many, many years. As for Quincy, jury is still out on him. He could definitely be improved upon, but bigger needs should be filled first.

Penn is good, but he's much better in pass protection than in run blocking. He's also kind of let himself go and gained some weight this year, which is a little worrisome for the future if we're committing a long term deal to him. Trueblood IMO has to be replaced.

Middle linebacker, Im not even going to worry about that. Ruud isn't going anywhere.

DE
1. Derrick Morgan
2. Everson Griffen
3. Brandon Graham
4. Sergio Kindle
5. Greg Hardy
HM: Willie Young

Ricky Sapp's potential is intriguing, but am I the only one that is a little scared of the Gaines Adams similarities? I think Hughes will be a 34OLB. I want to avoid Dunlap at all costs.

DT
1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Gerald McCoy
3. Brian Price
4. Dan Williams
5. Jared Odrick
Sleepers: D'Anthony Smith & Vince Oghobaase

Luckily for us, there's some talent here throughout the draft. I'd love to get Price somehow if we miss out on McCoy, but I dont think he'll last pass the 15th pick considering his scheme versatility and upside. I like D'Anthony Smith and Vince Oghobaase if we could get them in the late 2nd/3rd, respectively.

LB
1. Sean Weatherspoon
2. Eric Norwood
3. Daryl Washington
4. Roddick Muckelroy
5. AJ Edds
Sleeper: Dekoda Watson

I would love to pickup Washington if everything fell into place, I just don't think LB is big enough of a need to take one in the first 3 rounds. Dekoda could slip a bit because of his size, but would be a nice fit.
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Legacy, boynamedsuh, caddy you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about this years draft, got a question and pardon but I didn't want to start a new thread...
Every year there are teams who reach for someone or suprise everyone with who they choose. If you had to predict or guess for this years draft what teams do you see reaching or pulling a shocker pick in the first round?
Not as knowledgeable as Legacy, but off the top of my head I would assume that the Bills, Raiduhs and Redskins reach this year. In following the draft casually for the past decade, I think those teams seem to always reach in the first round.

Bills need a QB and I could see them drafting one in the first. Not that it would be smart of them to do so.

Raiduhs are always reaching for freakish athletes that hardly ever translate into productive NFL players.

Redskins never seem to have a plan, because of all the regime changes. IMO
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There is NO way we get Price. He will go top 15. Here are his season highlights for those that cant watch UCLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQMYESMEaY

Ill post my top 5 lists a bit later... let me just say Rico McCoy will not be a factor in the NFL... too small

Also, Ruud absolutely needs to be replaced. He has been a joke vs the run this year. I would love for Spikes to fall to the 2nd but thats not happening. Daryl Washington looked really good tonight vs Boise
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We were the 32nd ranked run defense this year and Ruud is part of the problem.
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We were the 32nd ranked run defense this year and Ruud is part of the problem.
The fact that we have two jokers at starting defensive tackle and we were using a craptastic defensive system that didn't cater to the strengths of the players on the roster are a bigger reason why the Bucs were horrible against the run this year.

Ruud may need to be replaced, even if he doesn't leave this offseason, but I'd hardly consider it a pressing need. We need a stud defensive tackle and some young defensive ends who strike fear into the hearts of opposing quarterbacks. That is the only way the defense will get better.
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For the record, any list that doesn't include Brian Price or does include Terrance Cody is completely invalid shows a complete lack of understanding of the T-2 defense.

Before reading, let me explain why I have the players' years on here. I believe that the longer a player stays in college, the better he SHOULD play. Gaines Adams was a 6th year senior when leaving Clemson and didn't dominate until year 5. This shows that it took him a long time to be a force. By the time he was in year 6, he was closer to full physical maturity and had more experience than everybody else he played.

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Suh-has looked like God at times, but struggles, see TTech and Arizona games, against big OGs. 5th year player that started dominating in year 4.

McCoy-flashes great potential as an UT at times, does not put up big numbers. 4th
year players that started dominating in year 3.

Price-like McCoy, flashes dominance as an UT, needs to use hands better but his stats show that he is as good as Suh, yet he is only a 3rd year player that startied dominating in year 2.

Houston-former high school FB that really has great speed and motor. Played the best bowl game of any DT in the country. 4th year player that dominated as a 2nd year DE and 4th year DT

Alualu-3-4 LDE that has a protype UT body and speed but has limited experience inside. 4th year player that started dominating in year 3.


DE-I'm torn on this position, the top guys have big question marks.

D. Morgan-3rd year junior that I'm not sold on. He can rush the passer and pursue down the line and make tackles... but how high can you be on a guy that played for such a terrible defense? GTech defense was awful! How much impact did Morgan really have and how can he improve the Bucs? He is probably more of a LDE. You don't take LDEs in the 4-3 top 5.

Hardy-Injury prone with tons of questions about character and work ethic. Not really strong against the run either. 4th year guy that started showing dominance in year 2.
Dunlap-great physical ability but questionable production, character, work ethic and brains. 3rd year guy that started dominating in year 2. boom or bust.

DE/DT Jeffrey Fitzgerald-LDe/UT type that has good speed and bulk to be an Ellis Wyms-type player. 5th year guy that dominated in year 1 as the top rookie in the ACC.

Tie O'Brien Schofield/Jerry Hughes/Brandon Graham/Brandon Sharpe-to me, these are the same guy. Undersized, tough, quick and productive. All would probably get more consideration from 3-4 teams but any/all could be a Freeney-type rusher from RDE.

LB-for the Tampa-2, McClain is not where it is at. ps, the 4th year 5th year thing only helps LBs, not hurts, so no points deducted for being a late bloomer. One other note, I listed 5 LBs regardless of Mike or Will because as Monte said, "If a guy can play the Will for us, he can play all 3 positions."

Sean Weathersppon-Athletic and productive. Weathersppon combines smooth hips with a an eye for the ball to be my #1 true T-2 LB.

Daryl Washington-speedy athletic and productive, a very good fit in a t-2.
Pat Angerer-anybody actually seen this guy play? He's EVERYWHERE. He is the prototype Mike for the t-2.

Daryl Sharpton-rangy LB that is too short for most teams but would fit nice in the t-2.
Projection Alert-Myron Rolle- Ok, this guy was a S in college, a year ago anyways. He's been out of football for a year because he's like the smartest kid a live... but he has okay size for the position but he is too slow to play S but he is too smart and productive not to thin he can switch to LB and be a force.

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First off, Hayes is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do here on D now and will be around as the WLB for many, many years. As for Quincy, jury is still out on him. He could definitely be improved upon, but bigger needs should be filled first.

Penn is good, but he's much better in pass protection than in run blocking. He's also kind of let himself go and gained some weight this year, which is a little worrisome for the future if we're committing a long term deal to him. Trueblood IMO has to be replaced.

Middle linebacker, Im not even going to worry about that. Ruud isn't going anywhere.

DE
1. Derrick Morgan
2. Everson Griffen
3. Brandon Graham
4. Sergio Kindle
5. Greg Hardy
HM: Willie Young

Ricky Sapp's potential is intriguing, but am I the only one that is a little scared of the Gaines Adams similarities? I think Hughes will be a 34OLB. I want to avoid Dunlap at all costs.

DT
1. Ndamukong Suh
2. Gerald McCoy
3. Brian Price
4. Dan Williams
5. Jared Odrick
Sleepers: D'Anthony Smith & Vince Oghobaase

Luckily for us, there's some talent here throughout the draft. I'd love to get Price somehow if we miss out on McCoy, but I dont think he'll last pass the 15th pick considering his scheme versatility and upside. I like D'Anthony Smith and Vince Oghobaase if we could get them in the late 2nd/3rd, respectively.

LB
1. Sean Weatherspoon
2. Eric Norwood
3. Daryl Washington
4. Roddick Muckelroy
5. AJ Edds
Sleeper: Dekoda Watson

I would love to pickup Washington if everything fell into place, I just don't think LB is big enough of a need to take one in the first 3 rounds. Dekoda could slip a bit because of his size, but would be a nice fit.
Bump for this being the most spot on pre draft post I re-read tonight. Strong work, sir.

Almost had the top 5 DT's in draft order (missing Alualu)

"Sleeper: Dekoda Watson"
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There is NO way we get Price. He will go top 15. Here are his season highlights for those that cant watch UCLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQMYESMEaY

Ill post my top 5 lists a bit later... let me just say Rico McCoy will not be a factor in the NFL... too small

Also, Ruud absolutely needs to be replaced. He has been a joke vs the run this year. I would love for Spikes to fall to the 2nd but thats not happening. Daryl Washington looked really good tonight vs Boise
Well, you were sort of correct in that Rico McCoy went undrafted. But missed on Price going in the top 15....still glad he fell to us, though. lol
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