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Performance-wise. In my opinion either Tom Brady or Kurt Warner are the best quarterbacks in the last decade when the playoffs are concerned. As for the worst, I think it's easily Donovan McNabb. I'd love to hear everyone else's opinions about this topic.
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Kurt Warner and its not even close. He has the best three super bowls by a QB, 5 TD tonight. Brady has the wins but his first 3 playoffs runs were mediocre stats wise where as Warner has been godly.
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Warner, 2 comebacks from being a 3 time Superbowl MVP and he holds nearly every passing record
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Warner and Brady are close. Warner in terms of production is better, Brady played good enough to win 3 SBs.

The worst would be one of many QBs that went to a playoff game or 2 and was horrible.
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Delhomme certainly had the worst playoff performance ever

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Warner and Brady are close. Warner in terms of production is better, Brady played good enough to win 3 SBs.

The worst would be one of many QBs that went to a playoff game or 2 and was horrible.
Warner most certainly did as well as he has the the 3 highest passer ratings in Superbowl history
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Delhomme and the T-rex are def worst. Warner has been amazing, and Brady has played very decent outside of today :(
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Brady then Warner, then Ben. Normally I would put Ben over Warner just due to the extra win but Warner wasn't the reason he lost 2/3 Super Bowls and he has been phenomenal during each run while Ben was not always asked to carry the team.

Honestly you could make an argument for Peyton as worst if you factor in team talent/expectations vs. the reality of what has occurred 9 out of the last 10 years + how he played during the playoff run the year they actually won it (not exceptionally).
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Tom Brady has NOT been a better playoff QB than Warner. Neither has Big Ben. Winning Super Bowls does not make you better than the guy who loses Super Bowls when the guy who lost outperformed you.

This brings us to the inevitable "Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl" portion of our argument. It's silly to treat wins as a QB statistic. Otherwise, Rex Grossman is a football god.
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Tom Brady has NOT been a better playoff QB than Warner. Neither has Big Ben. Winning Super Bowls does not make you better than the guy who loses Super Bowls when the guy who lost outperformed you.

This brings us to the inevitable "Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl" portion of our argument. It's silly to treat wins as a QB statistic. Otherwise, Rex Grossman is a football god.
Hmmmm there is always going to be the Dilfer>Marino argument, and that's easy to dismiss...once. But 3 times? Brady was no slouch in those runs, I'd be hard pressed to call him anything but the best playoff performer of this decade. Warner is unquestionably my number 2 but it's not like we have a small sample size here, very tough to justify picking the guy with 1 ring over the guy with 3 and a rep for having ice in his veins.

Wins are definitely a QB statistic because QB's have a greater effect on whether a team wins or loses than any other position. Not the only factor but we're splitting hairs here and you can't ask for much more from a tiebreaking perspective.
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is there any question that Ben's first superbowl was the worst performance by a superbowl winning qb?
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Hmmmm there is always going to be the Dilfer>Marino argument, and that's easy to dismiss...once. But 3 times? Brady was no slouch in those runs, I'd be hard pressed to call him anything but the best playoff performer of this decade. Warner is unquestionably my number 2 but it's not like we have a small sample size here, very tough to justify picking the guy with 1 ring over the guy with 3 and a rep for having ice in his veins.

Wins are definitely a QB statistic because QB's have a greater effect on whether a team wins or loses than any other position. Not the only factor but we're splitting hairs here and you can't ask for much more from a tiebreaking perspective.
Brady was the 2nd best performing QB in 3 of his 4 Super Bowls. It's amazing that he gets all that credit for going 3-1.
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Warner most certainly did as well as he has the the 3 highest passer ratings in Superbowl history
He also threw two critical pick 6s in those games. He's certainly not without blame for the loss to the Pats.
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Trent Dilfer: 5-1 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl win)
Ben Roethlisberger: 8-2 (2 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl wins)
Tom Brady: 14-4 (4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Super Bowl wins)
Kurt Warner: 9-3 (3 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl win)
Jake Delhomme: 5-3 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Donvan McNabb: 9-7 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Rex Grossman: 2-2 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Dan Marino: 8-9 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Peyton Manning: 6-8 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl win)

I posted the playoff records of every quarterback named in this thread so far. They are ranked by playoff winning percentage, not necessarily how I personally would rank them. It's almost mind boggling that Peyton Manning and Dan Marino (the two greatest quarterbacks of all-time according to some people) both have winning percentages under .500 in the playoffs.
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Trent Dilfer: 5-1 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl win)
Ben Roethlisberger: 8-2 (2 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl wins)
Tom Brady: 14-4 (4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Super Bowl wins)
Kurt Warner: 9-3 (3 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl win)
Jake Delhomme: 5-3 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Donvan McNabb: 9-7 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Rex Grossman: 2-2 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Dan Marino: 8-9 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 0 Super Bowl wins)
Peyton Manning: 6-8 (1 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl win)

I posted the playoff records of every quarterback named in this thread so far. They are ranked by playoff winning percentage, not necessarily how I personally would rank them. It's almost mind boggling that Peyton Manning and Dan Marino (the two greatest quarterbacks of all-time according to some people) both have winning percentages under .500 in the playoffs.

Very interesting post.

I'd say Warner is my #1 mainly because of his Superbowl performances. Hard to pick a worst, because there are guys like Carson Palmer 0-2 (really 0-1) and Romo (1-2) with very limited playoff experience.

I think my worst is going to have to be Manning, if I'm going with someone with a large body of work. As good as he is he only has 7 playoff wins in his career, 4 of them in the Superbowl season. That means his team has been one and done 6 times in his career, 3 times at home.
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is there any question that Ben's first superbowl was the worst performance by a superbowl winning qb?
Not really. It was the lowest passer rating and he played terribly.

He did have the rushing TD and the amazing play to Ward to the 3 yard line on 3rd and forever. Other than those two he was very dissapointing.
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Warner.

He holds the record for most passing yards in a post season (and has the second best total as well)

Post season passer rating is second all time to Bart Starr and is better than his regular season rating.

Has the top 3 Superbowl passing yards performances.

Has never lost a post season game at home (Brady lost his first today).

Brady gets the credit for having "ice in his veins" but in all three superbowls Warner drove down the field late in the fourth to either tie the game or take the lead.

Against the Titans - Game tied 16-16 late in the 4th Warner hits Bruce for long touchdown to take the lead.

Against the Patriots - Pats were up 17-3 at the start of the 4th before two touchdown drives tied it at 17-17.

Against the Steelers - Cards were down 20-7 at the start of the 4th before two touchdown drives and a safety got them the lead.
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Well that depends on how you judge a quarterback's performance.

I would argue that Brady outperformed Warner in Super Bowl XXXVI. Warner had more yards and a slightly higher completion percentage, but he was also playing with one of the greatest offenses in NFL history. Warner also threw two picks, one of which was returned for a touchdown. Maybe you like it when your quarterbacks throw for more yards, but I like my quarterbacks to not turn the ball over. Kurt Warner single-handedly lost that game for the Rams. His two interceptions cost the team 10 points (first one was returned 47 yards for a touchdown and the other was returned for 30 yards and immediately put New England into field goal range) and the Rams only lost by three.

Super Bowl XXXVIII is debatable. Both quarterbacks had three touchdowns and a very similar amount of yards. Brady threw one pick to Delhomme's zero but Delhomme had an atrocious completion percentage (48%). I'm taking Brady here despite the interception. Jake Delhomme's inability to consistently complete passes hurt the Panthers and very likely cost them the game.

Then moving onto Super Bowl XXXIX. Brady easily outperformed McNabb. More yards per attempt, better completion percentage, 0 interceptions to McNabb's 3. No debating this one.

Eli out performed Tom in Super Bowl XLII. No debate here.

I would argue that Brady was the best quarterback in all three of his wins, so let's not act like your statement is something definitive.
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By the way, I'll take Warner over Brady slightly. I just find some of the reasons why people are trying to discredit Brady laughable.
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I'd never discredit Brady, I just think Warner's post season performances have been more impressive.
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Super Bowl XXXVIII is debatable. Both quarterbacks had three touchdowns and a very similar amount of yards. Brady threw one pick to Delhomme's zero but Delhomme had an atrocious completion percentage (48%). I'm taking Brady here despite the interception. Jake Delhomme's inability to consistently complete passes hurt the Panthers and very likely cost them the game.
Tood Sauerbrun should have been the MVP of that game. He was the only reason the Pats didn't have about 40 field goals in the first half of that game. The entire first half the Panthers were backed up on their goal line and Sauerbrun just bombed punts out of the end-zone. Funny how thats the thing I remember most clearly from that game.
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I think my worst is going to have to be Manning, if I'm going with someone with a large body of work. As good as he is he only has 7 playoff wins in his career, 4 of them in the Superbowl season. That means his team has been one and done 6 times in his career, 3 times at home.
Oh, come on. He's got 4290 yards and 23 tds to 17 ints in this decade's postseasons.

Obviously, not all of those losses are his fault. He had a few abysmal games, but not enough to be called the worst of the decade. Not even close.

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Hmmmm there is always going to be the Dilfer>Marino argument, and that's easy to dismiss...once.
How easy is it to dismiss when it's 16 times? The guy played 16 seasons and has zero super bowl wins.

If we're really to believe that SB wins are a QB statistic in this world, then Dan Marino sucks. Plain and simple. There's no whitewashing 0 for 16 in that world.

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Cool topic.

From memory Warner's production in the playoffs is better than the regular season. It is also historically good. That for me gives him my vote.

Brady has basically maintained his regular season level, which is actually quite the achievement in the playoffs.

Manning has generally played at a lower level.

This is not based on any statistics, for all I know they could prove the complete opposite, but having watched all 3, that is how I feel on them. McNabb is the other guy in the discussion and may very well be the worst of the decade.

I only really considered those 4 as they are the only guys with enough games for me to consider. Roethlisberger probably also deserves a mention, but he gets next to no credit for the 1st run. 2nd run he was good.
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So Donovan McNabb is worse than Rex Grossman? lolz

Edit: I'm not defending McNabb, I wouldn't mind him leaving, but he has had pretty good success in the playoffs overall. The super bowl isn't the only game in the playoffs (though it is the only one that matters)
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So Donovan McNabb is worse than Rex Grossman? lolz

Edit: I'm not defending McNabb, I wouldn't mind him leaving, but he has had pretty good success in the playoffs overall. The super bowl isn't the only game in the playoffs (though it is the only one that matters)
If we were judging qbs by the number of balls thrown into the dirt in NFC championship games, then McNabb would top my list.
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If we were judging qbs by the number of balls thrown into the dirt in NFC championship games, then McNabb would top my list.
Thats because the QBs that play worse don't make it to championship games.
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