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Old 01-14-2010, 12:34 PM    (permalink
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if longsnapper was a postion the redskins would have an all pro and thats a damn shame
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I don't understand the utilization of position while determining roster spots between 4-3 and 3-4 players.

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Demarcus Ware, Elvis Dumerville, and LaMarr Woodley make it as OLB's.

Haloti Ngata makes it as a DT.

If 3-4 DE's are considered DT's for the purpose of these teams, shouldn't 3-4 OLBs be condisdered DE's? It seems odd that it can be had both ways. Either Ngata should be considered a DE or Ware, etc should be considered a DE.

just a thought.
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Jordy Nelson, robbed.
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Johnson>Fitz>Wayne>Marshall>Welker. Welker shouldn't have made it and Fitz should have been 1st team.
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So much better than the joke that is the Pro Bowl roster.
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Marshall>Welker.
A lot of WRs > Welker.

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Vernon Davis is the biggest snub easily, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Did he need to reach 20 TD's?



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Who should he have made it ahead of? Dockett, Ratliff and Ngata are 3-4 linemen so you can't really use stats to show who is better. Kevin Williams had very similar stats and is a perennial all pro on a super bowl contender, Babineaux had a good season but to say he "absolutely should have made it" ahead of any of these guys isn't really fair.
Touche. Maybe he shouldn't have absolutely made it, but he is terribly underrated nonetheless with no mentions as one of the top 4-3 DTs.
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Really sucks that vernon ties the record for TE TD catches in a season and doesn't get it. OH well Andy Lee FTW!
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while orchestrating many game winning drives to get to that record, and finishing with the best record in the league while statistically being on par with the other top QBs this year, means that being named 1st team All Pro is him being overrated?
Where do you get "statistically being on par with" from. Drew Brees had a quarterback rating 10 points higher, a completion percentage 2% higher, a yards per attempt 0.6 higher, threw for 11 yards more per game, had 1 more touchdown, and 5 less interceptions. Are you a Colts fan? I don't see any way someone can spin Peyton Manning's season to be on par with Drew Brees' statistically. Drew Brees had the second best single season for a quarterback in the last five years (first was Tom Brady in 2007).
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Yeah, overrated. Only caught 123 balls this year, 111 last year, and 112 the year before. A regular Darrius Heyward-Bey he is. And that NE offense looked awesome without him against the Ravens.
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Where do you get "statistically being on par with" from. Drew Brees had a quarterback rating 10 points higher, a completion percentage 2% higher, a yards per attempt 0.6 higher, threw for 11 yards more per game, had 1 more touchdown, and 5 less interceptions. Are you a Colts fan? I don't see any way someone can spin Peyton Manning's season to be on par with Drew Brees' statistically.
Were you being sarcastic? The difference in their stats is pretty negligible aside from the 5 ints, but Brees lost 6 more fumbles. Brees could have easily been named first team and I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it, but it's not like he robbed.
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Yeah, overrated. Only caught 123 balls this year, 111 last year, and 112 the year before. A regular Darrius Heyward-Bey he is. And that NE offense looked awesome without him against the Ravens.
I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he was overrated. Randy Moss had a significantly better season than Welker, as did a few other players.

To say the Pats played like **** against the Ravens because they didn't have Welker makes you look like an idiot. Did you even watch the game?
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I didn't say he wasn't a good player, I said he was overrated. Randy Moss had a significantly better season than Welker, as did a few other players.

To say the Pats played like **** against the Ravens because they didn't have Welker makes you look like an idiot. Did you even watch the game?
83 catches for Moss this year in games that he "played".

And yes, the Pat's offensive dynamics were notably altered without Wes Welker being in the game. Edelman is a good player, but he does not have the same skill-set as Welker, and it's easy to take Moss out of a game.
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Yeah, overrated. Only caught 123 balls this year, 111 last year, and 112 the year before. A regular Darrius Heyward-Bey he is. And that NE offense looked awesome without him against the Ravens.

If he was the second best receiver in the league he would have been better before he went to New England. The system and Randy Moss let him catch 123 passes. A lot of those 123 catches were screens and throws 3 yards downfield anyway.

He's the best slot receiver in the league by far but to have him over guys like Fitzgerald, Marshall, and Wayne is a joke.
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Through 15 games(benched in week 17), Brandon Marshall caught 1/3 of the passes Kyle Orton completed. He had half of Denver's receiving TDs, and on the team was the only guy with more than four. He WAS the Broncos passing offense, and nobody could stop him from catching 100 balls again. Welker was third on his team in TDs. It's pretty evident that Welker, despite being a very good player, has numbers that are a by-product of playing with Randy Moss. You stop the guy who will kill you for TD aftr TD before you stop the guy who won't kill you with points.
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Apparently his team had to win more games...?
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I don't think Manning had as great a pure passing year as Brees, but his intangibles, his leadership, his consistency, what he means to his team (and that is not to say that Brees isn't all those things, too, just not to the same extent as Peyton) makes him the best QB, the best player and a very worthy All-Pro selection. I usually don't hold as strongly to such vague and ethereal arguments, but the Colts have a pretty solid roster that isn't, imo, among the top 5 most talented in the league and hasn't been for years, but they still win 12 or more games EVERY SINGLE YEAR! How? Peyton Manning. If he wins another SB, he moves past Montana into GOAT status in my book. And how can you say that the GOAT doesn't deserve to make the All Pro team in the midst of his prime?
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Philip Rivers doesn't play for the Colts.

Why did the Jacksonville game "matter" but the Jets and Bills games didn't matter? Just because Manning played the whole game? Colts already had home field advantage locked up before they played the Jaguars.

Where do you get "statistically being on par with" from. Drew Brees had a quarterback rating 10 points higher, a completion percentage 2% higher, a yards per attempt 0.6 higher, threw for 11 yards more per game, had 1 more touchdown, and 5 less interceptions. Are you a Colts fan? I don't see any way someone can spin Peyton Manning's season to be on par with Drew Brees' statistically. Drew Brees had the second best single season for a quarterback in the last five years (first was Tom Brady in 2007).
To the first point, maybe I should have phrased it as that they were 14-0 in games they tried to win, as opposed to games that mattered.

As for being "statistically on par" with the other top QBs, I mean that there wasn't enough of a statistical discrepancy between Manning's season and the season that someone like Brees had to say that statistically one was far better then the other. The "11 more yards per game" stat is especially crap considering it takes into account the last two games of the season where Manning only played in the first half in one, and about what, 2 drives in the second game? And no, I'm not a Colts fan.

Either way, I think Brees definitely could have been 1st team all-pro as well, and if he had won I would have had no problem with that. I just think, personally, that due to Manning being on the top team in the league, and the number of clutch drives he put together to win games (as a Broncos fan I was witness to one of these) he deserved to be first team all-pro.

And my first post wasn't meant to be a building up and gloating of Manning's accomplishments so much as I was just trying to point out the ridiculousness of RealityCheck claiming that Manning is overrated.
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I thought Vernon Davis would have made it over Dallas Clark. Oh well.
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The Pro Bowl is always a yr late anyway. Pro Bowl = Meaningless beauty contest?
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still cant believe the lack of love for tennessees oline, i mean christ chris johnson didnt run pas unblocked player (well he did but :D)
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