Best Defensive Scheme in the NFL? - Page 2

eaglesalltheway · 03-13-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses

There is no best scheme.

It depends on your personnel, the other teams' personnel, and what plays/formations they run.

This is true, but I still voted anyway for 4-3 because I think it is the easiest to run, no matter what your personnel is.

bigbluedefense · 03-13-2007, 08:32 AM

You knew I had to post in this thread right?

The 3-4 is the ****. W00t w00t!

But in all seriousness, let me explain in detail why I feel the way I feel.

First and foremost, the poll is far too basic. Youre referring to formations, and the formations' individual scheme can vary greatly between coaching styles. The 4-3 has many variations, Cover 2 being an example of it. Then you have the 46, and hybrids etc, its too basic of a definition to define just as 4-3.

My favorite defense is the 3-4 base that Bill Parcells and Bill Bellichick run. The 2 gap 3-4 that is based on LB zone coverages and man coverages on the outside. Its passive in nature, but can be aggressive when need be. It doesn't live and die with the blitz, but can still manufacture an effective pass rush.

And its versatility makes it a good front against any offense. It has had success against great offenses of many types, the 49ers WCO of the 80s, the Buffalo Bills no huddle Air Coryell, the Colts no huddle, the 2 TE smashmouth offense of Joe Gibbs....its been proven to be an effective scheme against any type of offense thrown at it.

Thats why its the best. Its won 5 SBs and its effectiveness against any offensive scheme makes it better than any defense. Cover 2 schemes are vulnerable to the Air Coryell and 2 TE power run game, the 46 is vulnerable to the WCO, the conventional 4-3 and its variations are often too difficult to build with little flaws because its difficult finding elite talent in every position of the conventional 4-3, and its basic fronts are less confusing to Qbs.

The 3-4 is also better against the run, which is ultimately what defense is all about. I can go on and on, I love talking Xs and Os of the game. My favorite schemes of all time are Bill Parcell's 3-4, Buddy Ryan's 46, Tom Landry's Flex 4-3, and the hybrid defense that Denver ran in the early 80s (to this day, that was probably the most complex defense Ive seen. They used so many situational players and player substitutions in different fronts, its not even funny. Brilliant defense).

Finsfan79 · 03-13-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsalltheway

If I had the choice, I'd run a 4-3/3-4 hybrid like the Ravens and Fins.

agreed, pats run it (sometimes) and jets too

Vikes99ej · 03-13-2007, 12:26 PM

The Ravens defense.

LonghornsLegend · 03-13-2007, 12:52 PM

too bad rex ryan isnt staying in baltimore past next season...although id love to see it, because what he does is amazing, someone will offer too much money to be a HC, and to bring that scheme to their team...

hell i would of welcomed him into dallas this yr as the HC, im curious as to how they draft this year for that defense

niel89 · 03-13-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

too bad rex ryan isnt staying in baltimore past next season...although id love to see it, because what he does is amazing, someone will offer too much money to be a HC, and to bring that scheme to their team...

hell i would of welcomed him into dallas this yr as the HC, im curious as to how they draft this year for that defense

well even though he probably will be gone soon im sure there is one assistant trying to learn it so we can continue to run it

Eaglez.Fan · 03-13-2007, 12:54 PM

I'd run a 2-5. Two huge nose tackles, then 5 LB's.

In the NFL I'd say the 3-4 zone blitz like Dick LeBeau

bored of education · 03-13-2007, 01:01 PM

Here are the Wikipedia descriptions of the FB-34 defense that I love, and also the ZB34 defense

The 3-4 defense was originally devised by Bud Wilkinson at the University of Oklahoma in the late 1940s [17]. Former Patriots and Oklahoma coach Chuck Fairbanks is credited with being a major figure in first bringing the 3-4 defense to the NFL in 1974 [18]. Patriots defensive coordinator Hank Bullough made significant further innovations to the system [19]. Parcells was linebackers coach under Ron Erhardt as head coach of the Patriots in 1980 (after Fairbanks left for Colorado in 1978 and Bullough lost out on the head coaching position). When Parcells returned to the Giants as defensive coordinator under Ray Perkins in 1981, he brought the 3-4 defense with him.

Bill Belichick was initially exposed to the 3-4 defense while working as an assistant under Red Miller, head coach of the Denver Broncos and a former Patriots offensive coordinator under Fairbanks. Joe Collier was the defensive coordinator under Red Miller at the time [20], and his orange crush defense was very successful at stifling opposing offenses. The Broncos had decided to adopt the 3-4 in 1977. Bill Belichick subsequently refined his understanding of the 3-4 as a linebackers coach and defensive coordinator under Parcells with the Giants. Belichick returned the 3-4 defense back to New England when he become coach of the team in 2000 [21]. Romeo Crennel subsequently became defensive coordinator for the team.

The New England Patriots run a modified base 3-4 Chuck Fairbanks - Hank Bullough system [10] installed by Bill Belichick. The term 3-4 means that their base formation consists of 3 defensive linemen, 4 linebackers, and 4 defensive backs. It is believed that this gives the defense the greatest amount of flexibility because the linebackers are capable of doing any of the following: rushing the quarterback, tackling runners or dropping into coverage. At times the Patriots will shade their defensive linemen different ways, creating "over" or "under" defenses. Over and under defenses simply refer to the shift of the defensive linemen to the strong or weak side of the offense, respectively, and the rotation of the linebackers in the opposite direction.

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The 3-4 zone blitz defense was developed by Dick LeBeau as defensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers. It commonly calls upon linemen to be mobile enough to drop back into zone coverage in place of blitzing linebackers [25]. Elements of the 3-4 zone blitz defense have been incorporated over time into the modern Phillips 3-4.

fenikz · 03-13-2007, 01:24 PM

showing the 3-3-5 no love

i would love to see a coach run that

TNewFan41 · 03-13-2007, 01:36 PM

The 3-4 that Wade Phillips runs. And now we have it, HAHAHA!!!!!!

hugepunch · 03-13-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TNewFan41

The 3-4 that Wade Phillips runs. And now we have it, HAHAHA!!!!!!

thats true man... he is a legend in his own time.

The Legend · 03-13-2007, 01:50 PM

Wade Phillips and Demarcus Ware will be scary

Splat · 03-13-2007, 01:53 PM

If you have the right players the 3-4 can be hard to get around.

princefielder28 · 03-13-2007, 02:13 PM

I'm a big fan of the Tampa 2

BuffaloDraftGeek · 03-13-2007, 03:21 PM

How can you leave 46 off?

Shiver · 03-13-2007, 03:26 PM

What I have learned over the years, any front can work with the right personnel. No scheme is perfect. I've seen the ugly side of the 3-4 defense when it doesn't have the correct players to operate it. Atlanta had the worst defense in football when Wade Phillips was here. He goes to San Diego, now he's a defensive guru or something.

Microphon200 · 03-13-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

If you don't know what the FB 34 is then don't ever quote me again.

You act like you know everything. If you knew half as much as you thought you did, then you would be a genious.

I know I'm not a genious. That's why I ask questions, and I can care less if you think they're dumb or not.

bored of education · 03-13-2007, 08:34 PM

Why did you have to make your the 3-4 is all about being sexy comment then? WHY?

Microphon200 · 03-13-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bored of education

Why did you have to make your the 3-4 is all about being sexy comment then? WHY?

Because that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

bored of education · 03-13-2007, 08:40 PM

It's one sexy opinion Microphon200

BigDawg819 · 03-13-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EdReedUnstoppable

I voted other because the best defensive system in the NFL is the "Organized Chaos" hybrid Defense that Rex Ryan has created, developed, and perfected.

BEST DEFENSIVE SCHEME IN THE NFL! 2006 BALTIMORE RAVENS #1 RATED DEFENSE.

BigDawg819 · 03-13-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Microphon200

Because that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Your opinion reeks of Sex Panther......GET THE FIRE HOSE! :D

Don Vito · 03-13-2007, 08:57 PM

As mentioned I love the 3-4 hybrid. The versatility of the players makes it very fun to watch. The Dolphins had the ideal personnel for it last season with players like Kevin Carter, Jason Taylor, and Channing Crowder.

art vandelay · 03-13-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloDraftGeek

How can you leave 46 off?

Because the West Coast Offense has basically made the 46 non-effective.

Microphon200 · 03-13-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDawg819

Your opinion reeks of Sex Panther......GET THE FIRE HOSE! :D

Why am I a sex panther now?