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He really reminds me of a way more athletic version of Brandon Pettigrew from last year. I mean the guy is supposedly 6'6" 260, that is a big freakin dude. I am not saying that the Packers need him, but if the really good OT's are gone, and Brandon Graham is gone, I think it is a real possibility. Maybe if Warren has a great combine, like he should, I will warm up to him being a legit first round selection. Right now I think the only CB worth a first round pick is Haden.
thompson doesnt go for the combine warriors he goes for the people who jump out on film. the only legitimate corner in the first is haden. pre and post combine. anything else would be a product of a weak cb class
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Gresham is very talented of course, but we don't need another option for Rodgers. Our offense is phenomenal, except one area: The OT's. To use our first round pick on another TE would piss me off as much as taking Harrell did in 2007. But I do like your thinking about replacing Don Lee because of his big damn drops. His drop in Minnesota might have cost us the division.

I don't think we can draft too many OT's, CB's, and OLB prospects, also another DL guy or two if Jarius doesn't pan out. I'm counting Kampman out..... and Poppinga just doesn't have the pass rush skills needed for this scheme. Brad Jones, Cyril Obiozor, they might... but Popps has been in the league awhile now and I expected him to be more like Kevin Greene, with Kevin Greene coaching him. Maybe Greene spent all his time on Kampman and Matthews though.

(By the way, did anyone just see Pierre Garcon run down and STRIP Ed Reed? I saw a golden chance for Jarrett Bush to do that last week vs Arizona, but he never even thought to try the strip tackle. I can't stand that. Dumb.)
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Gresham is very talented of course, but we don't need another option for Rodgers. Our offense is phenomenal, except one area: The OT's. To use our first round pick on another TE would piss me off as much as taking Harrell did in 2007. But I do like your thinking about replacing Don Lee because of his big damn drops. His drop in Minnesota might have cost us the division.
Ron Wolf said his biggest regret was that he never surrounded Favre with enogh weapons. I don't think that giving Rodgers another receiving threat would hurt. Especially a guy who's a much more capable blocker than Lee. I'm not saying we need to take a TE but that if we took Gresham I wouldn't be upset.
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Ron Wolf said his biggest regret, and mistake, was passing on Randy Moss in the 1998 draft, which it was.

The thing is, I don't think there are enough passes to go around now, and that Jordy and Jones have so much untapped potential now. Adding a TE in the first round? That's higher than we just picked J-Mike. I'd be very disappointed, and shocked, quite honestly.
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Time for a new mock as I've had more time to read up on, watch some highlights of, and read thru some more rankings and projections.

I have Thompson signing just one role-player free agent, much like he did 2 years ago with Chillar, and the year prior with Frank Walker.

FREE AGENT ADDITION
Daniel Manning, CB/S, Chicago Bears ~ Age 27, 5-11, 202 Lbs.

He's listed as a safety but can play corner. Was the Bears nickelback but started
Think if him as like Jarrett Bush, but not a stooge. And think of him as Will Blackmon as a returner as Manning led the league in return average and number of 30-yard + returns, despite only starting half the season (2008).
He had a 59-yard kick return to help beat the Vikings in week 16 last month.

Was orignally a 2nd round pick by the Bears, out of Abilene Christian.

He's not great, but is solid, and you'll sure feel a lot better seeing him out there as nickel or dime than you will anyone else we put out there (other than TrayMon Williams).

PACKERS DRAFT MOCK

1- Charles Brown, OT, USC
A natural LEFT tackle, groomed for a year behind Clifton, the former USC guy will protect his former Rival Cal Bear Rodgers for a decade hopefully.

2- Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma
Seasoned, talented corner from the wild west of passing in the Big 12.

3- Cameron Sheffield, OLB, Troy
Was overshadowed by Brandon Lang, but has serious skills himself.

4- Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
6'3", 229, big target who put up good numbers despite no QB or passing offense.

5- Adrian Tracy, OLB, William & Mary
6- Kyle McCarthy, S, Notre Dame
6*- Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
7- Lorenzo Washington, DE, Alabama


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I am not a Charles Brown fan. He's too much of a project for me and I don't like how he's undersized. Its going to take 2-3 years to get him ready and we don't have that kind of time.

I like Demaryius Thomas in the 3rd. I think we need to draft a QB though. Flynn has progressed but he's not a guy who's capable of coming in and leading this team to wins if need be. A guy I like is Rusty Smith from FAU. He's experienced, has great size, descent mobility, and I guy who I think could benefit from working with a QB coach.
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I am not a Charles Brown fan. He's too much of a project for me and I don't like how he's undersized. Its going to take 2-3 years to get him ready and we don't have that kind of time.

I like Demaryius Thomas in the 3rd. I think we need to draft a QB though. Flynn has progressed but he's not a guy who's capable of coming in and leading this team to wins if need be. A guy I like is Rusty Smith from FAU. He's experienced, has great size, descent mobility, and I guy who I think could benefit from working with a QB coach.
I'm neutral on Brown, but some other key people I listen to, who have watched Brown every game for 2 years, tell me he's gonna be a good NFL left tackle....

I don't know about Flynn because A) they banked on him in 2008 as a rookie, B) they banked on hiim in 2009, and now C) he'll be more improved in 2010 so I would be shocked if TT decided to go draft another QB.

Demaryius Thomas reminds me, physically, of Brandon Marshall.
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I know a lot of people either love him or hate him, but here's Kiper's first mock draft I saw today on ESPN:

St. Louis Rams Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- it shouldn't take a quarterback with its first pick. Suh is maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams, and they may address the QB with a trade.

Detroit Lions Record: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
Getting McCoy both fills a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in opponents' backfields and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.


Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
This is very early for a safety to go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often (not unfairly) to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more prevalent in recent years.

Washington Redskins Record: 4-12
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.

Kansas City Chiefs Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value -- he could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.

Seattle Seahawks Record: 5-11
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
Many in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.

Cleveland Browns Record: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
I'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden, they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.

Oakland Raiders Record: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Davis might not be the most complete tackle in the first round just yet, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders should address a big need here.

Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
People will debate Clausen's merits long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, has displayed toughness, has an NFL arm and, perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and is a huge consideration for scouts.

Denver Broncos (from Chicago)Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
In all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.

Jacksonville Jaguars Record: 7-9
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
This is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future and maybe he's local enough for some.

Miami DolphinsRecord:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, AlabamaA potential home run for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top 10. The Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address WR.

San Francisco 49ersRecord: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, OklahomaI consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.

Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, ClemsonHe's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. Fans will want O-line help, and I'd expect it in Round 2.

New York GiantsRecord: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, FloridaThis is a high-value pick for the Giants, whose defensive line depth I feel has been overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of this past season, he was considered the premier pass-rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like Jevon Kearse.

San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)Record: 8-8
Earl Thomas*, S, TexasThe 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.

Tennessee TitansRecord: 8-8
Everson Griffen*, DE, USCPierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassman who looked like a pro coming out of high school and now is living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass-rusher.

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 9-7
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, IowaPittsburgh clearly needs help up front if it wants to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. The Steelers will improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.

Atlanta FalconsRecord: 9-7
Sergio Kindle, OLB, TexasThe Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he is a similar type of player and has proved to be very physical.

Houston TexansRecord: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLAPrice is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.

Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 10-6
Aaron Hernandez*, TE, FloridaThey need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from who already is there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.

New England PatriotsRecord: 10-6
Ricky Sapp, OLB, ClemsonThe Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete who can adjust to being upright and flat-out knows how to get to the quarterback.

Green Bay Packers Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC

If you had told Green Bay in August that it could get Mays at No. 23 overall, the Packers would have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays might have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year, and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.

Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 11-5
Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn StateThe Eagles need an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.

Baltimore RavensRecord: 9-7
Jermaine Gresham*, TE, OklahomaGresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first round and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE.

Arizona CardinalsRecord: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, TennesseeI see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals, and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, he is a disruptive force against the run.

Dallas CowboysRecord: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, MarylandJ
erry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the divisional round of the playoffs, and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.

San Diego ChargersRecord: 13-3
Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia TechWith the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player who can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and shows explosiveness.

New York JetsRecord: 9-7
Golden Tate*, WR, Notre DameThe Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he is more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of Laveranues Coles.

Minnesota Vikings Record: 12-4
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Need meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft, and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.

New Orleans Saints Record: 13-3
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
Odrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free up in Happy Valley, and the Saints will ask for the same.

Indianapolis Colts Record: 14-2
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss as a senior. Always in the backfield, he's a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition. He's been on my Big Board all year, so a good value this late.

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Ugh... I wouldn't like that pick at all. It would be like having a bigger, more athletic Atari Bigby.
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More like a bigger, more athletic Aaron Rouse. Im sure TT will come up with an unknown small schooler athlete in the later rounds to compete with Bigby. I might be wrong, but I dont think Mays has the range to play SS in our scheme.
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More like a bigger, more athletic Aaron Rouse. Im sure TT will come up with an unknown small schooler athlete in the later rounds to compete with Bigby. I might be wrong, but I dont think Mays has the range to play SS in our scheme.
Bigby can at least tackle. Hence the comparison.
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Ummmm Bruce Campbell still on board @ 23 is my first question mark and the second on is we pass on him? The fumes from his hair products must be messin with his mind.
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S Taylor Mays, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Patrick Robinson, or OLB Brandon Graham... all are available at our pick.

Which guy would each of you vote for if that was the case?
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S Taylor Mays, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Patrick Robinson, or OLB Brandon Graham... all are available at our pick.

Which guy would each of you vote for if that was the case?
I don't really like Robinson in the 1st. Campbell or Grahm would be ideal in this situation. I'd have to lean towards Campbell seeing thats a much bigger need IMO.
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I don't really like Robinson in the 1st. Campbell or Grahm would be ideal in this situation. I'd have to lean towards Campbell seeing thats a much bigger need IMO.
definitly agree. robinson is not a first round cb. i live in florida and root for the criminoles if im forced to root for someone and he was exploited all year long.

id easily go with graham or even mays.
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bored, so i came up with this....

1. Mike Iupati - OL - Idaho
2. Amari Spievey - CB - Iowa
3. Eric Norwood - OLB - South Carolina
4. Larry Asante - S - Nebraska
5. Derek Hardman - OT - Eastern Kentucky

just five round projection of what i'd kinda like to see...projections courtesy of NFL Draft Scout
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1. OT Bruce Campbell -Maryland
2. CB Donovon Warren- Michigan
3. RB/WR Dexter McCluster- Ole Miss (Harvin type)
4. OLB Cameron Sheffield-Troy
5. TE Jimmy Graham- Miami
6. SS Barry Church Toledo
7. QB Ryan Perrilliox Jackson St. My boy can flat out flat just has to stay out of trouble.
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1. OT Bruce Campbell -Maryland
2. CB Donovon Warren- Michigan
3. RB/WR Dexter McCluster- Ole Miss (Harvin type)
4. OLB Cameron Sheffield-Troy
5. TE Jimmy Graham- Miami
6. SS Barry Church Toledo
7. QB Ryan Perrilliox Jackson St. My boy can flat out flat just has to stay out of trouble.
This honestly would be an amazing draft but i just dont see it happening. Warren wont be there that late in the second round.
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That is what I was thinkin bout all the rankings I've seen have dropped him down a bit
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S Taylor Mays, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Patrick Robinson, or OLB Brandon Graham... all are available at our pick.

Which guy would each of you vote for if that was the case?
I would say Mays...Let's see Mays goes about 230 will easily run in the 4.4's and quite possibly will put up some amazing bench press numbers, not that it really matters to TT though. Someone mentioned that he doesn't have range, I find that a bit odd, because all he did at USC was play centerfield. I would take Mays any day, although it would be close between him and Brandon Graham. No offense to Bigby, but the guy can't stay healthy, he is okay against good teams, and great against poor teams. I think it would be amazing to have Collins and Mays in the secondary. I mean Capers could play all three safeties at the same time, you could have one of them blitz and then the two play coverage. I just think there are so many opportunities for the defense with a guy like Mays. I still find it unlikely that Mays lasts this far, so I guess realisically I would take Graham, and I would be very happy with the pick.
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Bruce Campbell for sure, drafting a guy because he is 230 fast and strong aka workout warrior most often will bust def when you don't play like your a fast strong 230 saftey

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Bruce Campbell for sure, drafting a guy because he is 230 fast and strong aka workout warrior most often def when you don't play like your a fast strong 230 saftey
Definetly. Iupati is really growing on me though, which typically means that he'll get really hyped up before the draft and go before the Packers pick. Happens every year (Mario Williams, Marshawn Lynch, DRC).

I really don't understand the love you guys have for Mays though. I don't see how drafting a big bodied safety which questionable ball skills, takes bad angles, and goes for a knockout hit instead of wrapping up is going to solve anything for the defense.
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Definetly. Iupati is really growing on me though, which typically means that he'll get really hyped up before the draft and go before the Packers pick. Happens every year (Mario Williams, Marshawn Lynch, DRC).

I really don't understand the love you guys have for Mays though. I don't see how drafting a big bodied safety which questionable ball skills, takes bad angles, and goes for a knockout hit instead of wrapping up is going to solve anything for the defense.
Yeah I don't get it at all, he has all the tangables but he doesn't have them all together. He doesn't at the level he should, I'd happy with taking Asante or Rolle later or even Church I think could be okay
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I think Iupati could be what Branden Albert was a couple of years ago, meaning he won't be available at 23
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Yeah I don't get it at all, he has all the tangables but he doesn't have them all together. He doesn't at the level he should, I'd happy with taking Asante or Rolle later or even Church I think could be okay
I think anyone to really compete with Bigby would be ideal. Its not like he was completely horrible and needs to be replaced either. Not too mention that Woodson could be moved to safety in a year or 2.
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