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Old 01-19-2010, 06:56 PM    (permalink
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I think Chan Gailey got a raw deal in KC that said not sure he should be a HC.
How so? His offensive philosophy didn't mesh with that of Haley's, don't see how that is a raw deal. And he wouldn't have had to wait until right before the season to be let go if it wasn't for Clark Hunt insisting on him being kept on the staff. Owner's need to keep their mits off of the franchise and let those who actually know what they are doing get to work.
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Pittsburgh Offensive Coordinator 1996-1997

1995 (Previous year)
Offense Ranked:12
Passing: 11
Rushing: 17

1996 (First Season)
Offense Rank:12
Passing: 24
Rushing: 1

1997 (Second Season)
Offense Rank:6
Passing: 12
Rushing: 5

1998 (After Departure)
Offense Rank:20
Passing: 26
Rushing: 11

Dallas Head Coach 1998-1999

1997 (Previous year)
Record: 6-10
Power Rating: 13
Offense Ranked:20
Passing: 14
Rushing: 23

1998 (First Season)
Record: 10-6 (Playoffs)
Power Rating: 9
Offense Ranked:6
Passing: 6
Rushing: 5

1999 (Second Season)
Record: 8-8 (Playoffs)
Power Rating: 8
Offense Ranked:12
Passing: 13
Rushing: 8

2000 (After Departure)
Record: 5-11
Power Rating: 24
Offense Ranked:24
Passing: 24
Rushing: 16

Miami Offensive Coordinator (2000-2001)

1999 (Previous year)
Offense Ranked:21
Passing: 19
Rushing: 26

2000 (First Season)
Offense Rank:18
Passing: 18
Rushing: 14

2001 (Second Season)
Offense Rank:20
Passing: 9
Rushing: 30

2002 (After Departure)
Offense Rank:11
Passing: 19
Rushing: 7

Kansas City Offensive Coordinator (2008)

2007 (Previous year)
Offense Ranked:29
Passing: 28
Rushing: 30

2008 (First Season)
Offense Ranked:22
Passing: 23
Rushing: 22

2009 (After Departure)
Offense Ranked:25
Passing: 26
Rushing: 20
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:51 PM    (permalink
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An interesting hire, I think he was doing something good in KC when he embraced the spread, I wonder if he will do something similar for the Bills. Embracing the spread was more about getting the most out of what he had than anything philosophical to me and that is what it takes to coach, especially with a bad team.

Also, getting an offensive focus almost has to help, that OL needs a couple more pieces and they need a QB, outside of that, the Bills are a pretty solid team.

I also can't help but feel like Frazier is overrated as a coach. He inherited a terrific defense and he has maintained the same level as the talent level has increased. My biggest concern though is that Frazier is a secondary guy and the secondary has consistently been the weakest unit and is probably worse now than it was 4 years ago. At the moment it seems like Frazier is the "Rooney Rule Guy" in that he is the highest profile black coach and is getting a lot of interviews as a result, not so much because he is actually a great coach.

It also must be said that you have to factor in the Childress element, anyone coaching under him will be held back at least a bit by his lack of ability as a coach, so Frazier may actually be better than at first sight.

Also... Rooney Rule, it must be about the most racist rule I have seen since, well I wasn't around for apartheid but probably since then. If I was black I would find it insulting, as a white I find it racist. Could you imagine if the rule existed in any other business... Only in the NFL.
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:56 PM    (permalink
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An interesting hire, I think he was doing something good in KC when he embraced the spread, I wonder if he will do something similar for the Bills. Embracing the spread was more about getting the most out of what he had than anything philosophical to me and that is what it takes to coach, especially with a bad team.

Also, getting an offensive focus almost has to help, that OL needs a couple more pieces and they need a QB, outside of that, the Bills are a pretty solid team.

I also can't help but feel like Frazier is overrated as a coach. He inherited a terrific defense and he has maintained the same level as the talent level has increased. My biggest concern though is that Frazier is a secondary guy and the secondary has consistently been the weakest unit and is probably worse now than it was 4 years ago. At the moment it seems like Frazier is the "Rooney Rule Guy" in that he is the highest profile black coach and is getting a lot of interviews as a result, not so much because he is actually a great coach.

It also must be said that you have to factor in the Childress element, anyone coaching under him will be held back at least a bit by his lack of ability as a coach, so Frazier may actually be better than at first sight.

Also... Rooney Rule, it must be about the most racist rule I have seen since, well I wasn't around for apartheid but probably since then. If I was black I would find it insulting, as a white I find it racist. Could you imagine if the rule existed in any other business... Only in the NFL.
What about affirmative action? it's very similar (though not the same) as the Rooney rule.
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Transition to 3-4 defense would be tough for Bills
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Probably easier said than done.
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Bills defensive front needs to be predicated on whatever Aaron Maybin is most comfortable with, he is the only young blue chip building block in that front 7. I'd count Poz but not exactly reliable.

as to whether or not Leslie Frazier is overrated...shrug. I mean his defense is fierce and productive. Any team that gets him is going to get a guy who prioritizes winning the game in the trenches, which already makes him a better coach than a lot of guys who currently have jobs.

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Probably easier said than done.
As long as we are resurrecting ancient coaches, I hear Vince Tobin is available.
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Sour grapes from Brian Billick

Sounds like he would have liked to coach the Bills as well.
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as to whether or not Leslie Frazier is overrated...shrug. I mean his defense is fierce and productive. Any team that gets him is going to get a guy who prioritizes winning the game in the trenches, which already makes him a better coach than a lot of guys who currently have jobs.
How much credit does he get for that though? From memory the only guy we have added in the trenches since he took over was Allen and that was a no brainer from the top down. I'm not saying he is a bad coach by any means, I just question the reasoning for why he is being rated so highly for basically doing what should be done and I always worry about a secondary coach whose secondary gets worse under him. Especially considered we have actually invested quite a bit in it.

All of that of course is influenced by how much actual control he has of personnel and the like. It probably looks worse on him if he has more control because the defense has gotten worse each year he has been in charge of it.
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Also... Rooney Rule, it must be about the most racist rule I have seen since, well I wasn't around for apartheid but probably since then. If I was black I would find it insulting, as a white I find it racist. Could you imagine if the rule existed in any other business... Only in the NFL.

I like the idealism, I really do, but the Rooney Rule is not pragmatic, nor does it really benefit African-American coaches. Teams like the Redskins have made a mockery of it.
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