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For some reason, Adam Schefter believe's that Baltimore is a potential landing spot for Peppers. Why? I for one think Peppers would be an awesome addition to our defense, He'd be hella expensive but would definitely be worth it. BUT, I would much rather have the front office put that kind of money into offensive playmakers ( i.e trade for and sign Marshall or sign Vincent Jackson. )

Here's an interesting article I found on BR.com

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If we had Peppers our pass rush would be SOOOOOO much better which makes our CB's better. If we got Peppers I would be ok with mediocre receivers again.
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mo drew gets about 16 touches a game on offense (on a good day), and will run circles around ray rice. rice has no speed, 2nd burst or agility. he's a strong midget. How can anyone be excited about that.
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If we had Peppers our pass rush would be SOOOOOO much better which makes our CB's better. If we got Peppers I would be ok with mediocre receivers again.
good point. and we could always draft a WR (Benn, Lafell) or a TE to work the middle of the field. (Gresham)

Also, did anyone hear about Mason? Apparently, his agent is meeting with Ozzie to work something out. That's suprising, I thought for sure he'd retire this off season.
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I would feel bad about not helping Flacco out but I am just a ***** for defense.....I mean can you blame me??? I have been spoiled with it for so long. I won't be happy unless we get Marshall or Peppers now.
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If we get Peppers, we would have a pretty damn good 4 man rush (which we pretty much use exclusively on third downs now) with Suggs and Julius on the outside. I would sign him to a front-heavy deal to take advantage of the uncapped year, probably a contract similar in structure to Suggs'. He would definitely be a good addition to our defense.
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He's getting 100 mil from someone. Almost Guarantee that. The Ravens aren't the type of team to try to outbid teams for a guy for a position that really isn't at the top of the priority list. Investing in WR's and CB's is way more important. Sure the greedy in every Raven fan would love to have him but the impact on future financial flexibility I think is too much to consider him.
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of course bringing in Peppers would be a huge upgrade to the defense and we could front load the deal and what not. But will we still go out and get a WR to help Flacco? AND draft a DB to help the secondary? We still need to sign Ngata and Gaither (granted he will come a little cheaper since he was hurt this season) and we still need to think we are going to have to resign Ray Rice, Joe Flacco and Michael Oher in the next few years.

Its doable at a 4 year deal longer then that I think we shoot ourselves in the foot give him a big signing bonus and ton's of incentives, he will make them if he stays healthy.

Don't we have a large cap # coming off the books from JO retiring and McNair this off season? or was that last year?
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Singing Peppers to a 3 year deal would be perfect. Trevor Pryce is about to retire, and like someone said earlier, it would help our secondary immensely. Receiver and Corner can be taken care of in the draft..
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You do know that Peppers wants to play OLB in a 34, right? I don't think he will do well at that position. He's too tall.
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You do know that Peppers wants to play OLB in a 34, right? I don't think he will do well at that position. He's too tall.
I think if he came here he would be more than happy to do as Ray Lewis says!

I mean everyone knows when the world ends Ray Lewis is who comes to take us to heaven.
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Who does Schefter see you guys losing to FA that would allow you to sign Peppers?

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You do know that Peppers wants to play OLB in a 34, right? I don't think he will do well at that position. He's too tall.
Tall isn't bad when the main coverage responsibility of the position is to drop into the flats. He has the wingspan to force QBs to throw over him.
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Who does Schefter see you guys losing to FA that would allow you to sign Peppers?

can we not re-sign a couple of no names and re-sign big names? or is it something like we have to let go a FA of a certain salary to sign a FA of a high salary.
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Teams who made the final 8 have the ability to sign one player with a starting salary over something around 5 or 6 and a half million without any restrictions.
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can we not re-sign a couple of no names and re-sign big names? or is it something like we have to let go a FA of a certain salary to sign a FA of a high salary.
I'd be full of bull if I claimed I know that mess 100% . . . but . . . it does sound like it's a 1:1 deal. Even if it's not you'd have to wait for those 'no names' to sign elsewhere first. So chances are you're already through a few days of FA and behind the 8-ball with Peppers. Though I have not seen any mention at all regarding the final 8 teams' ability to negotiate while waiting to see where their respective departed FAs sign. Which bring up an interesting question now.

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Teams who made the final 8 have the ability to sign one player with a starting salary over something around 5 or 6 and a half million without any restrictions.
Which will do no good when attempting to sign Peppers who made a mill per game this year under the franchise tag. Again - I don't know all the fine print of the final 8, so maybe there's some way to massage the numbers in the signing bonus, but Peppers will likely be starting in the 8 million per year neighborhood. It's a pretty pimp 'hood.

Mostly it seems like the final 8 clause is in place to prevent exactly this situation. Peppers will likely be too expensive to fit into that 5 million per year cap and it will be tough to play catch up once your team loses FAs because they have to sign before you can determine how much you can pay out to someone else.
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I think you misunderstood me - the player has to have AT LEAST a 5 or 6 and half million per year starting salary, not at the 5 or 6 million dollar range. I fully expect Peppers to get something far exceeding that number.
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You're absolutely right, it seems.

I just went back and read Falloutboy's rough translation - linked here (about halfway down the page with my settings ;))

I had it confused thinking it was one player with and annual salary cap ~5M and then any number of ~3.75M players.
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I think Mike Preston has a great idea here -

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...7652982.column

trade for Floyd. Re-sign Mason. Draft Jermaine Gresham. That gives Flacco a big WR on the outside and a very good TE to work the middle of defenses.
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i like that, but can floyd be a legit #1?
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i like that, but can floyd be a legit #1?
you're right. Malcom Floyd isn't a true #1 target like Marshall or Jackson. He's more of a complimentary WR, he is just what Joe Flacco needs on the outside. Someone who can go up and do this If that was Clayton or Mason, that ball is either incomplete, intercepted or overthrown.

Pair him with Mason opposite of him, and throw in Todd Heap working the middle, and possibly Demetrius Williams in the slot. Throw in a high draft pick, I'm hoping Jermaine Gresham maybe? That's not a bad arsenal for Flacco, oh and don't forget the Pro Bowler in the backfield, Ray Rice :) Plus, the o-line will have only gotten better, I love where our offense is headed, regardless of if they pickup Floyd.

Here's a realistic prediction for our depth chart next year -

LT - Jared Gaither - Oniel Cousins
LG - Ben Grubbs
C - Matt Birk
RG - Marshall Yanda/Chris Chester
RT - Michael Oher - Oniel Cousins
TE - Todd Heap - Jermaine Gresham(R)
WR - Malcom Floyd - Demetrius Williams - Kelley Washington
WR - Derrick Mason - Mike Williams(R) - Kelley Washington
FB - Le'Ron McClain
RB - Ray Rice - Willis McGahee
QB - Joe Flacco

4-3 - I don't believe we'll be a full time 4-3 defense, but we will probably see a lot of 4-3 looks.

DE - Terrell Suggs - Antwan Barnes - Paul Kruger
DT - Haloti Ngata
DT - Kelley Gregg
DE - Dwan Edwards - Trevor Pryce - Paul Kruger
WLB - Jarret Johnson - Jameel McClain
MLB - Ray Lewis - Tavares Gooden
SLB - Dannell Ellerbe - Paul Kruger?
CB - Lardarius Webb
CB - Dominque Foxworth
CB - Chris Carr
CB - Myron Lewis(R)
FS - Ed Reed - Haruki Nakamura
SS - Dawan Landry - Tom Zbikowski

Draft -
Round 1 - Jermaine Gresham TE - Oklahoma - I think he will be another one of those very talented players that slip to the late 1st and look for Ozzie to take advantage just like he did last year w/ Michael Oher. If he was never injured, he is a Top 10 pick.

Round 2 - Mike Williams WR - Syracuse - I think this is a typical Ozzie Newsome pick. A player who had character problems early in their life, and now turning there lives around. (i.e Lardarius Webb) Williams oozes potential and has the talent to be a stud in the league.

Round 3 - Myron Lewis CB - Vanderbilt - I don't know much about Lewis, but he has great size and he is just what we need in our secondary. He was very productive at Vandy and he even has potential at safety. much like Sean Smith of last year?
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Is there any proof Mike Williams is even turning his life around?? I know he quit the team at syracuse. He could be a 1st rounder w/ his head out of his ass.
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Gresham Good pick if he's still on the board at 25, but I doubt he will be. When healthy, Gresham is a beast of a tightend. He's great after the catch, and teams will love his potential.. He'll probably go anywhere from (10-20) in the 1st round. However, I don't consider TE a 1st round need for Baltimore. WR, DE, and CB are the main weak spots on the team.

Williams Bust. I just don't see his game translating very well to the NFL. And with his character issues teams won't look at him until at least round 4. Bad pick IMO.

Lewis I like Myron Lewis. He was great in college, he's just as big as most receivers, and would even switch to FS once Reed retires. It'll be interesting to see what he runs the 40 in. (It's been said to be a 4.5-4.6) That being said, I think round 3 is a little early for a player like him.

+my top 3 Ravens picks, so far.
1st round- WR Golden Tate
2nd round- CB Kyle Wilson
3rd round- DE Alex Carrington
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Will Dwan Edwards be around next Season?

I Don't think so!
He could be too much expensive
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Will Dwan Edwards be around next Season?

I Don't think so!
He could be too much expensive
I think he'll be back as a Raven next year. Isn't he an RFA? He was a big part of the d-line last year and I thought he did a solid job.
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