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Old 03-22-2007, 04:12 AM    (permalink
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Do you guys really like Levi Brown? I don't know about ya'll, but I think the program a prospect comes from means a lot. Strength, speed, and skill conditioning programs differ from schools, and PSU's has never impressed me. Take away Larry Johnson and how many busts have Penn St produced? Of their current NFL players, how many of them were ever OL? (I'll give you a hint....TWO: Kareem McKenzie and Marco Rivera and both play on teams with "Shaky" O-lines)
QFT id be horrified if we moved up to #8 and got Brown,to me he is WAY WAY to risky and Joe Staley will be a better pro, if they are gonna do it at least rape someone again in another trade to move down to #14 sh and get brown leaving us with other picks to make up for getting brown...if that makes sense
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Brown seems to split teams half and half. If we're in the half that doesn't like him at #8, I'd be happy with this start to the draft:

Trade down with Pats for #24 and #28 (the value is dead on, they may want Landry).

#24: Brown or Staley
#28: Griffin or Meriweather
#39: Ch Johnson or Crowder
#44: Grubbs or Blaylock

4 needs, all resolved in top 44 picks. Sweet.
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With the new influx of posters, this board is become more, and more, like the AFMB.

"Vick/Schaub"

"Trade up for Calvin!"

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They'll learn the ropes. Eventually they will realize that we aren't interested in the same, main steam, rhetoric, that other forums like to discuss.
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Right now, assuming Cleveland is enamored with Quinn, I cannot see a way we don't end up with Adrian "All Day" Peterson. They are the only team I could see seriously take him. Now that we are ahead of Houston. Not only that, Green Bay, Buffalo, would have to give up a king's ransom to get past the Falcons. He would easily be the "B.P.A" if he were to fall to #8. It would also allow the team to make Warrick Dunn expendable.
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NOOOO!!!!!!!
Exactly why i made the "Calvin Johnson Debate" thread. I will hate it if this becomes another 15 year old infested "OMGZORZ TRAdeZ 4 thA geORGIA DUUDE" board, hopefully all that speculation can stay in there.

Currently i want the following players at our need positions

OT Joe Staley ---pick needed #24 to be safe
OG/C Kyle Young pick needed Day 2 anywhere...(this guy is huge 354lbs C or OG)
OG Manuel Remirez ---pick needed #76 --#96+
FS Reggie Nelson pick needed #15
FS Brendan Merriweather ---pick needed #44
DE Jamaal Anderson ---pick needed #8
DE Adam Carricker ----pick needed #15
HB Adrian Peterson ---pick needed #8

So as you can see there are a million strategies circulating for draft day in my head at the moment
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Okay, let's say Cleveland doesn't take AD at #3.

Teams which might want to trade up for him are GB and BUF, but both of those teams have far too many holes to give up draft picks to move that far up. Besides, they'll end up scrapping it out for Lynch, i suspect.

So, if Cleveland don't take him, he should almost certainly be there. And I think we can agree that he would be BPA since, as an elite prospect, he is way ahead of Landry, Anderson or Brown. However, there are two questions to be answered:

1. How does this affect our other, more pressing needs?
2. What do we do with Dunn, Norwood, and AD all on the books?

1. I don't think it is a problem. With the two early second rounders, that is perfect value for DE and FS. Griffin/Meriweather should be there at #39, and C"bully"J/Crowder should be there at #44. Also, we have plenty of 4th round ammo to move up a little if necessary. The main loss is a potential Oline pick like Blaylock, but I actually think that the 3rd and 4th rounds are where the Oline value is this year.

2. This is a bigger headache. McKay and Blank have both said that Dunn will basically remain a Falcon until he wants to retire. From the business side, it would be easy: cut Dunn. But I'd be amazed if that would happen. Also, it is important that Norwood gets a decent number of carries, to aid his development. And obviously we want to get Peterson involved straight away.

Even with a run heavy offense, we'd be looking at a max of around 500 carries in a season. That could split 200 (AD), 150 (JN), 150 (WD), which would form quite a nice balance. I actually think that could work. However, there is another option.

Petrino like to run a lot of WRs. Both Norwood and Dunn are great receiving backs, both have serious pace and good hands. If we do draft AD, i could see both Norwood (who was looked at by some teams as a WR) and Dunn spending some time in a Bush-type role, split out at WR.

In short, AD will fit just fine, and from 2008 onwards we will have the best RB tandem in the league. Do it.
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Okay, let's say Cleveland doesn't take AD at #3.

Teams which might want to trade up for him are GB and BUF, but both of those teams have far too many holes to give up draft picks to move that far up. Besides, they'll end up scrapping it out for Lynch, i suspect.

So, if Cleveland don't take him, he should almost certainly be there. And I think we can agree that he would be BPA since, as an elite prospect, he is way ahead of Landry, Anderson or Brown. However, there are two questions to be answered:

1. How does this affect our other, more pressing needs?
2. What do we do with Dunn, Norwood, and AD all on the books?

1. I don't think it is a problem. With the two early second rounders, that is perfect value for DE and FS. Griffin/Meriweather should be there at #39, and C"bully"J/Crowder should be there at #44. Also, we have plenty of 4th round ammo to move up a little if necessary. The main loss is a potential Oline pick like Blaylock, but I actually think that the 3rd and 4th rounds are where the Oline value is this year.

2. This is a bigger headache. McKay and Blank have both said that Dunn will basically remain a Falcon until he wants to retire. From the business side, it would be easy: cut Dunn. But I'd be amazed if that would happen. Also, it is important that Norwood gets a decent number of carries, to aid his development. And obviously we want to get Peterson involved straight away.

Even with a run heavy offense, we'd be looking at a max of around 500 carries in a season. That could split 200 (AD), 150 (JN), 150 (WD), which would form quite a nice balance. I actually think that could work. However, there is another option.

Petrino like to run a lot of WRs. Both Norwood and Dunn are great receiving backs, both have serious pace and good hands. If we do draft AD, i could see both Norwood (who was looked at by some teams as a WR) and Dunn spending some time in a Bush-type role, split out at WR.

In short, AD will fit just fine, and from 2008 onwards we will have the best RB tandem in the league. Do it.

I thought we had "too many holes to fill" to not draft a S/CB/DE/T/G with our first pick, or second, or thrid for that matter. And last time I checked we have 2 very capable RB so far, and we just signed a FB for the short yardage situations. I understand that we wouldn't have to get rid of 1 pick to move up to get AP if he fell to us, but can you really run a 3 RB + short yardage back system in a pass heavy system.

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Exactly why i made the "Calvin Johnson Debate" thread. I will hate it if this becomes another 15 year old infested "OMGZORZ TRAdeZ 4 thA geORGIA DUUDE" board, hopefully all that speculation can stay in there.

Every year it's a new "geORGIA DUUDE." Last year, it was an obsession over Greg Blue. The year before that, it was about David Pollack. This year, it's the same thing, expect times ten.
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Right now, assuming Cleveland is enamored with Quinn, I cannot see a way we don't end up with Adrian "All Day" Peterson. They are the only team I could see seriously take him. Now that we are ahead of Houston. Not only that, Green Bay, Buffalo, would have to give up a king's ransom to get past the Falcons. He would easily be the "B.P.A" if he were to fall to #8. It would also allow the team to make Warrick Dunn expendable.
I agree 100% I think AD would be a great addition...for multiple reasons...1st of which check out the Post on Conspiracy Theory

Dunn is getting up in years and putting AD behind an improving OL would only give you an even more explosive running game...
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Don't discount the Falcons using the eighth overall choice in the draft on Penn State left offensive tackle Levi Brown. The Falcons want to upgrade the offensive line, and have done next to nothing in free agency to address the area
It sounds like he may be someone the team covets. He definitely fits the mold. 6'5" 325-lbs, long arms, experienced. While some may point to the seemingly disappointing 40-time, he did well in the other agility drills. Contrast them to Joe Thomas;

10-yard dash

Brown - 1.84
Thomas - 1.75

20-yard shuttle

Brown - 4.89
Thomas - 4.88

3-cone

Brown - 7.87
Thomas - 7.95

Bench Reps

Brown - 31
Thomas - 28

Arm Length

Brown - 33 3/8
Thomas - 32 1/2

So besides the 40, and jumping, Brown performed equal, or better than Thomas. What is encouraging is the change of direction, quick feet, and strength. He out-did Thomas at those.

For me, change of direction, agility, strength, is more important than running in a straight line, and jumping high, for a O-Lineman.
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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Brown. If Landry and Peterson are gone, I'd take Brown over Anderson.
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It sounds like he may be someone the team covets. He definitely fits the mold. 6'5" 325-lbs, long arms, experienced. While some may point to the seemingly disappointing 40-time, he did well in the other agility drills. Contrast them to Joe Thomas;

10-yard dash

Brown - 1.84
Thomas - 1.75

20-yard shuttle

Brown - 4.89
Thomas - 4.88

3-cone

Brown - 7.87
Thomas - 7.95

Bench Reps

Brown - 31
Thomas - 28

Arm Length

Brown - 33 3/8
Thomas - 32 1/2

So besides the 40, and jumping, Brown performed equal, or better than Thomas. What is encouraging is the change of direction, quick feet, and strength. He out-did Thomas at those.

For me, change of direction, agility, strength, is more important than running in a straight line, and jumping high, for a O-Lineman.
It's tempting but im still not ready to move from my "Anti Brown at #8" stance just yet. Maybe the best thing to do is trade down to #14-ish and sit and see what happens? I mean you could probably end up with Nelson OR Carricker OR Brown dropping + another 2nd at least, giving us 3! where we would go for the other two position not taken at #14 plus an OG?

To me (at the moment) it seems as though none of Levi Brown, Carricker or Nelson would be gone buy #10 so they would have to almost go in succession 11.12.13 for us to be screwed over with my afformentioned trade down ...not likley so it would mean we have a great shot at a falling need player at #14 and still get to fill even more holes later
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That's how I feel.
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Another reason to draft Levi Brown.

If Gandy does have one more year in the tank, Brown would be an immediate starter at LG, which would give him a year at a less-pressurised position in order to work on some of his weaknesses. That greatly reduces the bust potential, which usually occurs when a player is thrown in the deep end too early.

Also, there is absolutely no value at OT in the 2nd round, but great value at DE and FS. This is my best case scenario, as of now:

#8: Levi Brown
#39: Charles Johnson
#44: Brandon Meriweather (or even Griffin, if the safety tumble happens)

That fixes our three immediate needs, at LG, FS and DE, and provides us with the immensely valuable longterm starter at LT.

Peterson being available might change things, but I'm very much of the opinion that the O-line makes the RB, not the other way round.
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I honestly believe that Brandon Frye from Va Tech is one of the best linemen in this draft and has gone unnoticed. He will start for this team at LT if he is drafted, even if it is in the 6th round.
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At the louisville proday, Okoye ran a 4.85 at 305lbs. Interesting. He's really got to be up there with the #8 candidates...
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Wow...those are some spectacular numbers for real...that's UT type numbers though =( not NT...
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that's not strictly true. yes, he's quick enough to play UT. but he also has the size and stoutness at the point to perform at NT in the 4-3. He'd just be a multi-dimensional NT. And a damn good one at that...
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He could bulk up, that would help a bit...but yeah he's going to be a great player.
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He could bulk up, that would help a bit...but yeah he's going to be a great player.
People have to remember that he is 19 too. He isn't even fully grown yet. He could possibly get huge.
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He played at 305-lbs, at Louisville, at 19-years old. I imagine his playing weight, in the NFL, will be between 305-310. Remember; all the scouting reports based off of his game-tape, suggested he was a ideal run stuffer. The 'UT' talk started up, only when he showed up at the Senior Bowl at 287-lbs, a sharp drop-off from where he played at Louisville at.
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Yeah, I knew that...I know he's a physical player, obviously he's been playing since he was 16 against monsters in the middle. So, I'm not concerned that he can't be a phenom, I just hope that we make the right decision.
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I think the Lions would prefer to move down no further than No. 6. The consensus is that there are six elite players in the draft and then, after that, it's a pool of really good players.
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