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Old 04-04-2007, 04:29 PM    (permalink
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With the Vikings now stacked at Safety, I think Landry is becoming close to a reality.
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I have to agree. It would be wonderful to get CJ but it would cost us too much to get him. Here's to hoping Oaktown picks him up.
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Rich McKay said, during NFL:N's "Top 10 Draft Trades" about the Ricky Williams trade, that no player is worth that kind of trade up picks. 'No player can single handedly solve your problems.' If he sticks to that philosophy, that means no Calvin Johnson.
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No it doesn't. They gave up their entire draft for Williams.
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No it doesn't. They gave up their entire draft for Williams.
To get Calvin Johnson, it would take both of our 2nd round picks, and a future 1st. That would fly in the face of everything Rich McKay has stated, up to this point.
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As great as it would be to get Calvin Johnson, we have much bigger needs. We have to hope that Joe Horn can solve some WR problems and help Roddy White and Michael Jenkins step up.
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Also we'll be getting (sure hands) Finneran back and we have ten picks could draft a guy in the middle rounds.
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To get Calvin Johnson, it would take both of our 2nd round picks, and a future 1st. That would fly in the face of everything Rich McKay has stated, up to this point.
Maybe, maybe not. There's an interesting projection in gbnreport that the trade to #2 would cost a 2nd and 4th this year, and a 2nd next year. That's basically #10 plus Schaub. It undervaluing the pick, but Detroit have made it so clear that they want to trade down (and #8 is perfect value for them), so it's possible.

At that cost, would you do it? I'm not sure i would, but it's a possibility.

We'd still have a pick in the first three rounds this year, plus two 4ths rounders.

We could get CJ, Griffin and Ramirez (as GBNreport speculates).
Or CJ (wr), CJ (de) and Ramirez (and give Crocker another chance at FS).

Big problem is, we have four major needs: OT/OG/FS/DE: and all of them should really be addressed on the first day. Without trading up, we can do all of them this year. (eh. Brown/Ramirez/Meriweather/CJ). With trading up, we have to wait til next year.

Looking at the long term health of the franchise, I MAY actually be willing to trade up.

If we do trade up, and our first 3 picks are CJ (wr), CJ (de), and Ramirez, then we'd leave Crocker at FS and Gandy at LT. Gandy isn't a solid option, but he isn't going to get Vick killed. Crocker has the physical tools to play FS, but kept biting on play action, and losing deep coverage. That's fixable with more exp at FS. Maybe it won't be fixed, but giving him another season would not be a disaster.

Then look at next year. OT is stacked. We could draft one in the first round to replace Gandy, and if Crocker still doesn't get the deep coverage we can draft a FS in the 2nd - where there is always value.

This is my point: we can get an elite playmaker (whom Vick needs!) this year, but leave some needs unfilled this year. But we could fill those needs next year. Fine, we'd have an imperfect team in 2007 (but not a bad one) - but the overall potential of our team would be MUCH higher by having CJ on the team. And let's face it, we're not unlikely to win the SB in 2007 with a team in transition.

It's very much a split decision, but if Detroit would accept a 2007 2nd and 4th and 2008 2nd, then it may be in the future interest of the team to grab CJ.
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Yes, sign me up right now for that trade!
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I think you might be overdoing it Shiver. We arent going to be giving up our WHOLE draft for Calvin Johnson. We will still have our late day picks, and McKay always finds steals there.

Not to mention, we can still address some problems next year. We are a relatively young team with old starters that have back ups ready to relieve them. Giving up our first day for the best WR prospect ever, isnt as bad as you make it out to seem.

Sure it may be a bit inefficient, and we will still have some holes to fill, but you have to see at what price that would be coming at.
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as i said above, we may not need to give up our first day at all. we're exactly in the zone detroit wants to drop to, and they seem to be getting desperate. two 2nds (2007 and 2008) and a 4th (2007) might do it.
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No it doesn't. They gave up their entire draft for Williams.
They also gave up a 1st and 3rd the next year and only moved up from 12 to 5. They had no 2nd round that year
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Jerious Norwood - #32 - Running back - 5'11" - 204lbs

News: Falcons head coach Bobby Petrino called Jerious Norwood "exciting when he gets the football" after the team's first minicamp, but reiterated that he intends to get bigger at the position before the season.

Impact: Norwood got the bulk of the work with Warrick Dunn nursing a bum shoulder. Atlanta is expected to draft its potential starting tailback. (Thu. Apr 12, 2007)
Adrian Peterson?
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If AP is there at 8 then he's going to be our RB.
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Thought id throw Gaines Adams name into the ring. I think its at least concievable that he is there at #8, if he is where do you rekon he lies in terms of other players who are likley to be there?

How is he against the run?

1st Gaines Adams
2nd Brenan Merriweather
2nd Aaron Sears
3rd Manuel Remirez

hmmm, looks good. Whats the thought on Sears' shot at OT in our power blocking system, could he do it?
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I can't say that I think Gaines Adams would be a great pick at #8. I just think he's a pass rush beast, but other than that he's not what we need, we need a Carriker type someone who holds up against the run and is decent against the pass, because with 2 pure pass rushers we'd be destroyed by the run, we're already losing big Grady.
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Quick comment on Sears. I'm not sure I'd want him at OT right now, but if he is there in the 2nd, we could use him thus:

Start at OG in his first year, or at least compete with Ton-of-Fun;
If he displays the quick feet to play at LT, he can replace Gandy in 2008;
If not, he can stay at OG, but maybe be an eventual replacement at RT in 2009 or 2010.
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I'm not sure about Adams. I would have thought of him as being somewhat weak against the run, but actually there are plenty of excellent LDE's who weigh 260 (like Adams), so he could be a possibility. I really doubt he's there at 8, though.
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My big board right now.

1. LaRon Landry
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Gaines Adams
4. Patrick Willis
5. Levi Brown
6. Trade Up for CJ
7. Jamaal Anderson

These are all realistic options really.
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I'd have My Big Board like this prolly:
1.) Adrian Peterson
2.) LaRon Landry
3.) Trade up for CJ (offering 1 2nd rounder this year and next year's 2nd rounder)
4.) Trade Down
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1. Trade up for Calvin (at a non ridiculous price)
2. Adrian Peterson
3. LaRon Landry
4. Trade down target Michael Griffin
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I could go for something similar to that ATL. I just don't want to ransom our draft to get CJ. As much as I think he'd change the face of this franchise
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Exactly. As long as the price is justifiable, I think it's the move we need to make. I know we have more pressing needs, espically on defense, but if Mike Vick is the MVP because he constantly has Horn, CJ, and Crump on the field, in a weak NFC our defense could make it by.
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In the forum mock, my first three picks;

Laron Landry
Arron Sears
Charles Johnson

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In the forum mock, my first three picks;

Laron Landry
Arron Sears
Charles Johnson

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I'm just not sold on Charles Johnson. I know there's a bunch of UGA fans that would love to keep him local, but at 6'2 and 270 lbs running a relatively slow 40, he's an awful lot like somebody else we know. Chauncey Davis. I feel the same about Tim Crowder. Although all of these guys' styles differ, I'd prefer someone with a bit more pass rushing ability
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