G.O.A.T. Interactive Project

yourfavestoner · 02-10-2010, 01:08 PM

So, I have way too much time at work. We haven't done something like this since GermaineRace was here, I think.

This is essentially the same thing we'vve had for the Interactive All-American College team and what is currently going on in the draft section for prospect rankings. Essentially, we will interactively vote and rank the best players of all time by position.

For example, we will have a vote for defensive tackle. If you wish to vote for a player, simply type his name and, in parenthesis, what number person voting you are. If you're the fourth person to vote for Joe Greene, just type
Joe Green (4)
The first player to a certain number of votes wins the top spot in the rankings. Votes earned by other players carry over to the next ranking position. So if three people had voted for Bob Lily, these three votes would carry over to his race for second place.

No currently active players are eligible for vote. Positional rankings are fluid and vary from year to year with players, so it's silly to try and rank them from a historical perspective until we have a completed body of work to analyze.

A couple of things before we start:
Players will be ranked in groups on 10. First player to 10 votes secures spot #1. Next player to 10 fills spot #2. Etc, etc.

Rankings 1-5 will require 10 votes.
Rankings 6-10 will only require 5.

Now, remember: debate is encouraged! We want to know "why" you think a player is as good, or better, than another. At the end of the day, though, keep in mind that these rankings don't mean anything. It's just the collective opinion of a bunch of football nerds with too much time on their hands.

We'll start off with defensive positions, and move to offense after that (culminating with the great debate: best QBs of All-Time).

Some great resources:
www.hulu.com/nfl Best thing to use. Has NFL Classics, Old Superbowls, Greatest Games, Season Highlights, and much much more.
profootballhof.com Another great site. Has player bios, stats, and some videos of all players inducted into the Hall of Fame.
pro-football-reference.com Has every statistic you could possibly image. Regular season, postseason, W-L record, boxscores, EVERYTHING.

Let's get this thing cracking gents! Old-timers, I'm expecting a lot out of you on this one.

G.O.A.T. Defensive Ends

1.

Reggie White

2.

Deacon Jones

3.

Bruce Smith

4.

Michael Strahan

5.

Jack Youngblood

6.

Gino Marchetti

7.

Carl Eller

8.

Chris Doleman

9.

Howie Long

10.

Doug Atkins

neko4 · 02-10-2010, 01:34 PM

I think voting should be one or two positions per day

yourfavestoner · 02-10-2010, 01:39 PM

It's not like we can predetermine how many days it will take to vote for each position. It's entirely reliant on how quickly people vote.

I will tally all the votes for each day up, though, and update it on the first post of the thread. I'll do it right before I get off work (5 PST).

neko4 · 02-10-2010, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

It's not like we can predetermine how many days it will take to vote for each position. It's entirely reliant on how quickly people vote.

I will tally all the votes for each day up, though, and update it on the first post of the thread. I'll do it right before I get off work (5 PST).

Well when do we start, and with what position, DE?

Bengals78 · 02-10-2010, 01:44 PM

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

Xonraider · 02-10-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengals78

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

I think Deacon Jones was a better DE and Dick Butkus was a better ILB

yourfavestoner · 02-10-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengals78

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

No dude.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38458
Look there for an example.

neko4 · 02-10-2010, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengals78

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

One position at a time.

no bare feet · 02-10-2010, 03:11 PM

Quarterback
1. Peyton Manning (1)

ohh not active
1. John Montana (1)

yo123 · 02-10-2010, 03:14 PM

Joe Montana (1)

yourfavestoner · 02-10-2010, 03:17 PM

Jesus Christ guys, has anybody actually tried reading the entire first post?

Quote:

A couple of things before we start:
How many players should we rank? 5 or 10? Five makes the process go smoother, while 10 allows for a much broader group of players to be analyzed and debated (which is the entire point!).

How many votes should secure a ranking? First to 5 or 10? Five, again, makes the whole thing go smoother, but it is more subject to homeristic or ignorant voting. It also helps keep guys from jumping out ahead to quickly before other viable prospects have been brought up. Remember, a lot of these guys played a long time ago and aren't "fresh" in people's brains.

and

Quote:

We'll start off with defensive positions, and move to offense after that (culminating with the great debate: best QBs of All-Time).

I've got a feeling I'm overestimating the board's capabilities with this. Wouldn't be the first time.

yourfavestoner · 02-10-2010, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by no bare feet

Quarterback
1. Peyton Manning (1)

ohh not active
1. John Montana (1)

John Montana, huh?

Yeah, I'm definitely overestimating.

no bare feet · 02-10-2010, 03:18 PM

maybe do secondary, linebackers, then dline at once?

i eff a lot of things up sorry.

no bare feet · 02-10-2010, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

John Montana, huh?

Yeah, I'm definitely overestimating.

yo123 · 02-10-2010, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

Jesus Christ guys, has anybody actually tried reading the entire first post?

and

I've got a feeling I'm overestimating the board's capabilities with this. Wouldn't be the first time.

Lol, I was just making fun of nobarefeet.

Brothgar · 02-10-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yourfavestoner

So, I have way too much time at work. We haven't done something like this since GermaineRace was here, I think.

This is essentially the same thing we'vve had for the Interactive All-American College team and what is currently going on in the draft section for prospect rankings. Essentially, we will interactively vote and rank the best players of all time by position.

For example, we will have a vote for defensive tackle. If you wish to vote for a player, simply type his name and, in parenthesis, what number person voting you are. If you're the fourth person to vote for Joe Greene, just type
Joe Green (4)
The first player to a certain number of votes wins the top spot in the rankings. Votes earned by other players carry over to the next ranking position. So if three people had voted for Bob Lily, these three votes would carry over to his race for second place.

No currently active players are eligible for vote. Positional rankings are fluid and vary from year to year with players, so it's silly to try and rank them from a historical perspective until we have a completed body of work to analyze.

A couple of things before we start:
How many players should we rank? 5 or 10? Five makes the process go smoother, while 10 allows for a much broader group of players to be analyzed and debated (which is the entire point!).

How many votes should secure a ranking? First to 5 or 10? Five, again, makes the whole thing go smoother, but it is more subject to homeristic or ignorant voting. It also helps keep guys from jumping out ahead to quickly before other viable prospects have been brought up. Remember, a lot of these guys played a long time ago and aren't "fresh" in people's brains.

Now, remember: debate is encouraged! We want to know "why" you think a player is as good, or better, than another. At the end of the day, though, keep in mind that these rankings don't mean anything. It's just the collective opinion of a bunch of football nerds with too much time on their hands.

We'll start off with defensive positions, and move to offense after that (culminating with the great debate: best QBs of All-Time).

Some great resources:
www.hulu.com/nfl Best thing to use. Has NFL Classics, Old Superbowls, Greatest Games, Season Highlights, and much much more.
profootballhof.com Another great site. Has player bios, stats, and some videos of all players inducted into the Hall of Fame.
pro-football-reference.com Has every statistic you could possibly image. Regular season, postseason, W-L record, boxscores, EVERYTHING.

Let's get this thing cracking gents! Old-timers, I'm expecting a lot out of you on this one.

Well here is my take.

1. 10 players at each position.
2. 10 votes for top 3 5 votes for 4-10

DDP711 · 02-10-2010, 04:28 PM

yeah i would go with 10 players at each position. And 10 votes for top 5 and the 5 votes for 6-10. That way would run the smoothest imo.

Addict · 02-10-2010, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broth223

Well here is my take.

1. 10 players at each position.
2. 10 votes for top 3 5 votes for 4-10

That sounds pretty good. Also, if you have time, motivate your choice a little?

Brothgar · 02-10-2010, 04:34 PM

I think all votes that count needs a why attached

Addict · 02-10-2010, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broth223

I think all votes that count needs a why attached

this is good. I like this.

yourfavestoner · 02-10-2010, 04:35 PM

Keep it coming guys, these are all great ideas!

badgerbacker · 02-10-2010, 04:36 PM

John Montana (2)

neko4 · 02-10-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broth223

Well here is my take.

1. 10 players at each position.
2. 10 votes for top 3 5 votes for 4-10

So kind of like the heisman? except with 10 spots

Also there should be some sort of debate before every position and then a set voting time.

Addict · 02-10-2010, 04:41 PM

so what's the order? S, CB, OLB, ILB, DE, DT, OT, OG, C, WR, TE, RB, QB

do we count all these positions? I'd think that we can put Guards and Centers together and also the WR's and TE's? Will we have a FB vote? Or create a FB/TE vote?

do we do coaches? If so where?

Addict · 02-10-2010, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neko4

So kind of like the heisman? except with 10 spots

Also there should be some sort of debate before every position and then a set voting time.

a voting time? Just until it's full. First to reach the required # of votes gets #1, then on to #2 and onwards. Once a list is full we move on to the next one.

Do we even count these votes being cast right now?