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Old 08-13-2012, 05:36 PM    (permalink
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Chapman should be the NL CY Young.
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3 years $42 to $45 million or is that way too low?
Too high. Average to slightly above average D, solid power and speed but not amazing, and average at getting on base. He isn't all that great.
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Old 08-13-2012, 05:53 PM    (permalink
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He's a reliever, I just never like them winning awards. Both he and Kimbrel are having exceptional years, but I just hate giving the award to a reliever.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:04 PM    (permalink
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He's a reliever, I just never like them winning awards. Both he and Kimbrel are having exceptional years, but I just hate giving the award to a reliever.
Despite his numbers being better than most starters?
I mean, ERA is obviously easier to have lower. But his actual K numbers compared to most starters is ridiculous.
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Despite his numbers being better than most starters?
I mean, ERA is obviously easier to have lower. But his actual K numbers compared to most starters is ridiculous.
It's easier to have a higher K rate than starters as a reliever, because you don't have to balance your stuff across longer periods of time. Not that what he's doing isn't insane, just saying.
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It's easier to have a higher K rate than starters as a reliever, because you don't have to balance your stuff across longer periods of time. Not that what he's doing isn't insane, just saying.
I wasn't saying K rate. I was saying the sheer number of strikeouts in such a limited amount of time. Not to forget the low amount of walks.
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I wasn't saying K rate. I was saying the sheer number of strikeouts in such a limited amount of time. Not to forget the low amount of walks.
So you aren't saying K Rate, just the rate of K's? Got it.
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I wasn't saying K rate. I was saying the sheer number of strikeouts in such a limited amount of time. Not to forget the low amount of walks.
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So you aren't saying K Rate, just the rate of K's? Got it.
No what I am saying is just the number of strike outs is incredible for any pitcher at this point.

If you read the article I posted that started this, you would see this:
"Bet you didn't know that Chapman has more strikeouts than the Opening Day starters for 11 teams or that he has struck out more hitters than two pitchers who made the All-Star team (Matt Harrison, Wade Miley), as well as Vogelsong or that he would lead four teams in strikeouts (A's, Royals, Blue Jays, Rockies). "
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No what I am saying is just the number of strike outs is incredible for any pitcher at this point.

If you read the article I posted that started this, you would see this:
"Bet you didn't know that Chapman has more strikeouts than the Opening Day starters for 11 teams or that he has struck out more hitters than two pitchers who made the All-Star team (Matt Harrison, Wade Miley), as well as Vogelsong or that he would lead four teams in strikeouts (A's, Royals, Blue Jays, Rockies). "
I did. I noticed that. But I was just pointing out what you said, and that was that you weren't talking about K Rate, you were just talking about the sheer number of K's in a limited amount of time, aka the rate at which he strikes out opponents, aka the K Rate.
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I did. I noticed that. But I was just pointing out what you said, and that was that you weren't talking about K Rate, you were just talking about the sheer number of K's in a limited amount of time, aka the rate at which he strikes out opponents, aka the K Rate.
I was saying he has a **** ton of strikeouts (an actual number) in a very little amount of time (57 innings). But not the actual K/9.
Because he could easily just have a 27 K/9 with only a few IP.
So I was talking the raw numbers. Not the rate, which the raw numbers are used for.
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The numbers are incredible, he is ridiculous, but no I will never believe in giving an award like the Cy Young to a closer. There would have to be literally no deserving starter for me to even consider it.
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No pitcher under the guide of Dusty Baker is allowed to win a Cy Young. Its in the CBA.


That and no one is dismissing is mind boggling numbers, that being said he's not in the discussion for Cy Young. To date he's 4-4 with 28 saves. Those numbers are not mind boggling. Without going any forward with numbers, putting Chapman in this discussion is an absolute slap in the face to Johnny Cueto
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No pitcher under the guide of Dusty Baker is allowed to win a Cy Young. Its in the CBA.


That and no one is dismissing is mind boggling numbers, that being said he's not in the discussion for Cy Young. To date he's 4-4 with 28 saves. Those numbers are not mind boggling. Without going any forward with numbers, putting Chapman in this discussion is an absolute slap in the face to Johnny Cueto
Oh come on. Even I know not to use wins.
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Or any of the other millions of categories Chapman is just insane in.
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Oh come on. Even I know not to use wins.
Seriously?????

All you see about Cueto is wins????

I can't talk to you.
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All you see about Cueto is wins????

I can't talk to you.
Oh boy....
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He is talking about the lack of wins for Chapman, dawg. But even with his insane strikeout numbers, he still only has 28 saves. He has been dominant, but he is absolutely not a Cy Young winner.
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He is talking about the lack of wins for Chapman, dawg. But even with his insane strikeout numbers, he still only has 28 saves. He has been dominant, but he is absolutely not a Cy Young winner.
He wasn't saving early for us. He was set up.
So if you are conservative and only give him the saves Marshall had, 9, he goes up to 37. I know it doesn't count but he hasn't been closing all season.
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3 years $42 to $45 million or is that way too low?
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At least 11mm every year for whatever length in contract.


Age, CF, defense, home run and stolen bases make money. Upton's stiff competition is Shane Victorino who is 4 years older but obviously better.

I can see Victorino gets 4 year for up to 50mm with last year option.

I thought 3/27-3/30.
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I was saying he has a **** ton of strikeouts (an actual number) in a very little amount of time (57 innings). But not the actual K/9.
Because he could easily just have a 27 K/9 with only a few IP.
So I was talking the raw numbers. Not the rate, which the raw numbers are used for.
He does not have a **** ton of strikeouts overall, though. He has an absolutely absurd K/9, but not a ridiculous amount of strikeouts. There are over 50 pitchers in the majors with more strikeouts than him.
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Since the Cubs have absolutely nothing going for them this year I am starting the Darwin Barney for Gold Glove campaign. 100 straight games with no errors!
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Lost in the ZOMG CHAPMAN HAS INSANE NUMBERS, is the number 4 in regards to his 4 Blown Saves.

Fernando Rodney has been far superior in the closing role then Chapman.
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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