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Old 05-19-2010, 02:33 PM    (permalink) 
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One of the major reasons they traded Cabrera was so he didn't badly influence Hanley. Imagine them together still.
Leyland's biggest skill is managing egos, so I wouldn't be too worried.
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It depends on how you view the closer position. In my opinion he's overrated as a reliever. He's not one of the top five relief pitchers in baseball like he is sometimes billed as. However, a closer's job is to get saves and Papelbon is one of the best at converting save opportunities. That's not really debatable.

Here are the 14 closers who have converted at least 40 saves since the start of the 2009 season and their save percentage:

Bell - 53 (86.9%)
Cordero - 52 (89.7%)
Rivera - 51 (94.4%)
Fuentes - 48 (87.3%)
Papelbon - 48 (92.3%)
Wilson - 48 (85.7%)
Aardsma - 47 (92.1%)
Franklin - 47 (88.7%)
Nathan - 47 (90.4%)
Broxton - 43 (84.3%)
Hoffman - 42 (82.4%)
Rodney - 42 (97.7%)
Rodriguez - 41 (82.0%)
Soria - 40 (88.9%)

In terms of coming into a save situation and converting, only Rivera and Rodney have been better. Sure, it's not always pretty when Papelbon is on the mound, but he gets the job done better than almost anyone. Now, the above study is certainly fuel to the notion that the closer position itself is overrated.
I mean his numbers are good, but i guess i just dont like the way he throws. He goes out there and lives off his fastball, that isnt that good anymore, usually 92-94 and topping out around 96. He doesnt locate it, but thinks he can blow it by everyone who gets in the box. Idk, as a college pitcher i just get frustrated watching someone like that throw lol..
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Yeah but how much longer will Leyland be there? Them batting together again is such a scary thought.
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I mean his numbers are good, but i guess i just dont like the way he throws. He goes out there and lives off his fastball, that isnt that good anymore, usually 92-94 and topping out around 96. He doesnt locate it, but thinks he can blow it by everyone who gets in the box. Idk, as a college pitcher i just get frustrated watching someone like that throw lol..
He's just a lot more wilder than he used to be. And when he misses his spot, he really misses his spot. A lot of his balls are no doubters, that no one will swing at.
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He's just a lot more wilder than he used to be. And when he misses his spot, he really misses his spot. A lot of his balls are no doubters, that no one will swing at.
Yeah, well he really misses his spot alot. He doesnt spot up for dick.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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I mean his numbers are good, but i guess i just dont like the way he throws. He goes out there and lives off his fastball, that isnt that good anymore, usually 92-94 and topping out around 96. He doesnt locate it, but thinks he can blow it by everyone who gets in the box. Idk, as a college pitcher i just get frustrated watching someone like that throw lol..
His strikeout, walk, flyball, are not good, and he still has a lucky BABIP. His numbers aren't good. FIP of 5.19.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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His strikeout, walk, flyball, are not good, and he still has a lucky BABIP. His numbers aren't good. FIP of 5.19.
Closers tend to outperform their FIPs if they have good enough stuff (look at Mo). I'm not saying I think Papelbon will be able to survive much longer in the AL East, but still.
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And Harang regresses....again.
Brandon Phillips made an incredible catch...then appeared to have been hurt but it's ok he just swallowed his chew
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I like how Wade's control isn't terrible right now.
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I've been looking into Giovany Soto (Tigers minor league pitcher, not the Cubs catcher) lately, and he's been pretty damn impressive so far this year. A strikeout an inning with a very good groundball rate as a 19 year old lefty in Single A. The one thing I'm having trouble with is actually getting some information about his stuff, so does anyone know?
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Isn't Gulf Coast League rookie ball, not single A? And by your Fernando Martinez standards, 19 year old in rookie ball would be a non-prospect. You can thank me later Mets fans.
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a red sox pitcher not named lester seems to have his act together...

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Yea I could imagine them together still. The Marlins would be a better team.
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Yea I could imagine them together still. The Marlins would be a better team.
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