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Old 12-12-2013, 03:21 PM    (permalink
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Reds reportedly offered the Yankees Brandon Phillips for Brett Gardner, but the Yankees have turned it down because Phillips wanted a new deal.

They also turned it down because Gardner is worth more then Phillips.
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Reds reportedly offered the Yankees Brandon Phillips for Brett Gardner, but the Yankees have turned it down because Phillips wanted a new deal.
On what grounds is Brandon Phillips asking for a new deal?! rofl.

Dude is owed $40m+ and will be lucky to not be dead weight for $20m of it.
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On what grounds is Brandon Phillips asking for a new deal?! rofl.

Dude is owed $40m+ and will be lucky to not be dead weight for $20m of it.

He has no trade clause on his contract and Yankees are on it. Phillips basically asked for more money or otherwise.
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They also turned it down because Gardner is worth more then Phillips.
If Yankees actually start Gardner at LF then yes.
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He has no trade clause on his contract and Yankees are on it. Phillips basically asked for more money or otherwise.
Obviously, I understand that he's got the right to refuse. I'm just saying he's ridiculous.
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Gardner has a ton more value than Phillips right now. Smart decline by the Yanks.
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I hope Kelly Johnson everyday is worth Gardner in a cluttered outfield.
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If Yankees actually start Gardner at LF then yes.
Who starts over Gardner? Ichiro?
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The Yankees really aren't that cluttered. Wells, Ichiro, and Soriano are all more or less terrible, so the less ABs you have to give them the better. No reason Gardner can't start in left and you split the ABs at RF and DH between those three guys (which is still way more than any of them should really get)

Put another way, I'd rather have Kelly Johnson starting at 2B than any of those three guys starting anywhere.
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I get that but right now they are going into next season with Johnson their everyday 2B. They apparently made an offer for Infante but he wants 4 years at 10 mil a year.

At some point you have to wonder how big of a difference the from Gardner to Soriano, Wells and Ichiro is compared to Kelly Johnson to Phillips.
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And they are going into next year with Ichiro as their starting RF and Vernon Wells as their starting DH.

Yankees gon' suck.
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Don't forget A-Rod, Jeter, McCann, and Teix will have to DH also. They're going to be rotating players like an NFL defense.
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Don't forget A-Rod, Jeter McCann, and Teix will have to DH also. They're going to be rotating players like an NFL defense.
You're probably right but lol....
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The Yankees really aren't that cluttered. Wells, Ichiro, and Soriano are all more or less terrible, so the less ABs you have to give them the better. No reason Gardner can't start in left and you split the ABs at RF and DH between those three guys (which is still way more than any of them should really get)

Put another way, I'd rather have Kelly Johnson starting at 2B than any of those three guys starting anywhere.
Soriano is still a very useful player, so don't group him in with those two.
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And they are going into next year with Ichiro as their starting RF and Vernon Wells as their starting DH.

Yankees gon' suck.
LF: Gardner
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Reports saying the Jays have talked to the Royals about Billy Butler? Wonder who would be going back to KC? Would have to be assumed they would get rid of Lind.
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Oh right. Forgot about Beltran. Well that's better.
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Yeah, for as good as Cano is, if Beltran can play 140 games and make up about 80% of his production in the 3-hole (completely possible), they may end up slightly downgrading the 3-hole while making huge upgrades at at least three spots with a hopefully healthy Tex, McCann (huge), and Ellbsury.

I don't really view it as Kelly Johnson replacing Cano. I look at it more like Beltran + Johnson replacing Cano + Ichiro. And then McCann > Stewart, Ellsbury > Grandy and Tex > Overbay.

But it will all come down to pitching. They need Tanaka. I fear CC is done.
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I'm to lazy to check but how much did CC lose off his fastball last year?
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Talk of Billy Butler & Prospects going to Toronto.

There's nothing on Toronto's roster I'd trade either Bill Butler OR prospects for. I almost can't wait to see how badly Dayton is going to **** this up.

All that ************ had to do this off-season was trade relievers for a 2B (Arizona or Washington would be ideal partners) and pickup a couple starters on 1-2 year deals. The Aoki deal was nice, but he ****** up with that Vargas contract and I really don't trust him to do anything positive going forward.
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Oh right. Forgot about Beltran. Well that's better.
Wells will probably be DFA'd anyway. Especially if we hold onto Gardner.
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boone logan to the rockies. 3 yr/16.5m.. what will the yanks' bullpen look like this year?
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Talk of Billy Butler & Prospects going to Toronto.

There's nothing on Toronto's roster I'd trade either Bill Butler OR prospects for. I almost can't wait to see how badly Dayton is going to **** this up.
To be fair, there are at least 3 players on the Blue Jays roster worth Billy Butler, if not more. Encarnacion, Bautista and Reyes are all better players than Butler.
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