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Old 06-27-2014, 06:26 PM    (permalink
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That trade makes sense but still surprized me
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Not really both Pitchers have struggled mightily this season. The only way you could say that is was a steal is because Frieri is younger then Grilli.
Younger, more years, and better advanced stats. Worst case you have basically the same situation, best case it's a solid pick up. I've learned to be optomistic about pitcher acquisitions.

Grilli was done here. I havnt seen Frieri pitch at all so I can only go by his numbers, but Grilli has looked simply horrible.
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Pirates trade Jason Grilli to the Angels for Ernesto Frieri. I think it's a steal for the Pirates.
If Frieri can chill the **** out with the homers, it's a good deal. If not, he's a lost cause.
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So much Josh Harrison love.
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Altuve with 4 hits, a 2b, and 2 steals tonight including a steal of home.

Now hitting .342 with 111 hits, 24 2B and 32 SB.
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Cardinals ground into so many ******* double plays.
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I have a huge Josh Harrison boner right now. I never thought he'd be able to keep this up, but he just keeps shocking the world.
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Younger, more years, and better advanced stats. Worst case you have basically the same situation, best case it's a solid pick up. I've learned to be optomistic about pitcher acquisitions.

Grilli was done here. I havnt seen Frieri pitch at all so I can only go by his numbers, but Grilli has looked simply horrible.
Frieri has been awful. Guy drove me nuts all year pissing away games, just using the same pitch over and over and over because he can't throw an offspeed pitch for ****

I think he's salvageable, he should just never ever be a closer again. His command has been god awful thsi season to. He's not getting his 1 pitch(his fastball) to go to the spots that he wants it to, leading to meatball pitches in hitters happy zones


I think Grilli sucks to so all in all the deal does nothing for me. I'm glad Frieri is gone, but I'm not thrilled that they now have Grilli to replace him. It was a lateral move
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This reminds me soooo much of the Mark Melancon deal.
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Marcus Stroman out pitches Chris Sale. He is taken out after intentionally walking Adam Dunn and with Jose Abreu also on base. Mcgowan comes in and with his first pitch gives up a three run home run. ****. Why?!?! Just so upsetting. He had given up two hits and two walks the entire game and looked dominant.
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Hooray for no argument about MVP this year, since Trout has this on total lockdown.
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Hooray for no argument about MVP this year, since Trout has this on total lockdown.
Meh...there really wasn't an argument last year. People arguing Trout last year were still butthurt about the year before.
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Meh...there really wasn't an argument last year. People arguing Trout last year were still butthurt about the year before.
Trout absolutely should have won the MVP last year and in 2012. There is zero doubt in my mind.
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Trout absolutely should have won the MVP last year and in 2012. There is zero doubt in my mind.
It was Cabrera's last year, and there really wasn't an argument outside of defense, but it's not Cabrera's fault his manager stuck him at 3B. Trout was better in 2012, but you're not taking the MVP away from the first Triple Crown winner in 45 years (as irrelevant as that achievement is to stat-smart people).
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It was Cabrera's last year, and there really wasn't an argument outside of defense, but it's not Cabrera's fault his manager stuck him at 3B. Trout was better in 2012, but you're not taking the MVP away from the first Triple Crown winner in 45 years.
Trout was much better on the basepaths, played more games and played considerably better defense. Their offense wasn't THAT far apart, either.
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Trout was much better on the basepaths, played more games and played considerably better defense. Their offense wasn't THAT far apart, either.
Trout's defense last year was average. If it was very good, it could have been a viable argument, but it wasn't. I just don't think it's viable to argue defense with Cabrera being forced to play a position he had no business playing and Trout being barely average at his natural position. And defense was the difference in their WAR. Factor in how much of an impact Cabrera had on his team making the playoffs, and that really tips the scales imo.

I get your argument, but I just can't include the defensive comparison in the discussion for last year because of the circumstances.
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Trout should have won in 2012. 2013 Miggy had a better case and the Angels sucked so I was ok with it

There's no argument this season though. Trout should be the heavy favorite
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Just got home from work, 7-0 Dodgers. Should be an awesome game to watch.

And to make it worse, I get to listen to a ******* Reds announcer jerkoff to the Cardinals losing.
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Red Sox called up Mookie Betts. Hold onto your betts.
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Trout's defense last year was average. If it was very good, it could have been a viable argument, but it wasn't. I just don't think it's viable to argue defense with Cabrera being forced to play a position he had no business playing and Trout being barely average at his natural position. And defense was the difference in their WAR. Factor in how much of an impact Cabrera had on his team making the playoffs, and that really tips the scales imo.

I get your argument, but I just can't include the defensive comparison in the discussion for last year because of the circumstances.
Miggy was still playing that position, and he sucked. You think I don't realize Miggy's impact? Do you know the team I cheer for? I'm just saying, Trout was the MVP last year, that's just how I see it.
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The A's are the best regular season team in the past decade.
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Yankees, take that Napoli HR...
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Trout should have his 3rd MVP this year.
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Trout should have his 3rd MVP this year.
Oh has he finally caught Josh Donaldson in WAR?
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