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Old 06-03-2010, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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If they played it anywhere else, they would have played in front of a crowd of hundreds and the Astros would have lost money in the situation. This year the Blue Jays are playing a home game in Philly against Philly. And I'm sure they aren't terribly upset because they just got 3 sell outs compared to the empty crowd they normally play in front of.
Those games would have sold pretty well in Toronto. And I am positive that if Doc ptiched a game it would have been a sell out.
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I just heard the audio of Jim Joyce, pretty funny but also kinda feel bad for him in a way but not really because any ump in that situation knew his call would determine something like that and if it's even close why call it for the other team in that particular situation, u also got to give a hand to Armando through this whole ordeal. also **** Bud Selig when will he retire? next year? not soon enough
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Again, I say we kidnapp Selig and Joyce and keep them hostage til they reverse the call and give Armando what he deserves.

NEVER FORGET, JUNE 2nd, ARMANDO GALARRAGA PERFECT GAME! 28 UP, 28 DOWN!
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Why can't Selig just make a new rule that says that the last out of a no hitter or a perfect game can be reviewed using replay after the game has ended? That's all that needs to be done and it won't change anything else.

Anyway not enough can be said as to how Galarraga has handled this siuation. True sportmanship and grace at it's finest.
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Not .450. Maybe .350 with his speed.
He will make adjustments when that happens. Also, I would love to add that since Jackson is a superior defender, Jackson >>>>> BJ Upton.
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Why can't Selig just make a new rule that says that the last out of a new hitter or a perfect game can be reviewed using replay after the game has ended? That's all that needs to be done and it won't change anything else.

Anyway not enough can be said as to how Galarraga has handled this siuation. True sportmanship and grace at it's finest.
Because then what happens if it is the 2nd to last out, or 3rd to last, or a random out in the 7th inning?

They can't just make a rule that only pertains to one specific instance. They could, but it would leave the league open to so many more problems down the road. If they make a rule that says you can review only the last out, teams will bring complaints that if you can review that one out, why can't you review this one other out at a different point of the game.

The league would essentially be saying that the final out is more important than every other out, which for all intents and purposes, isn't true.
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He will make adjustments when that happens. Also, I would love to add that since Jackson is a superior defender, Jackson >>>>> BJ Upton.

Pagan over both.



And on the subject of this whole umpire thing, just put in robot umpires. No mistakes will happen. Instant replay would be incredibly dumb and just make the games be entirely too long. Galarraga got ****** over. It obvious is just awful, but **** happens. The Tigers still won. Bad calls have had bigger impacts on games. ROBO UMP IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.
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Robo wouldn't work either because you can say they are calibrated wrong or something like that.
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Because then what happens if it is the 2nd to last out, or 3rd to last, or a random out in the 7th inning?

They can't just make a rule that only pertains to one specific instance. They could, but it would leave the league open to so many more problems down the road. If they make a rule that says you can review only the last out, teams will bring complaints that if you can review that one out, why can't you review this one other out at a different point of the game.

The league would essentially be saying that the final out is more important than every other out, which for all intents and purposes, isn't true.
This is true. I got nothing else so unfortunately you just have to leave it as is. Everyone knows he really got it anyway so it'll just be an omission in a book years from now.
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I've always wondered why the NFL just doesn't put sensors in the players cleats and on the ball to tell if they are past the goal line or out of bounds, the refs would still have to make calls on everything else but it would take those judgement calls out of the equation
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It would be better for employment purposes to have the 5th umpire reviewing plays.
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I've always wondered why the NFL just doesn't put sensors in the players cleats and on the ball to tell if they are past the goal line or out of bounds, the refs would still have to make calls on everything else but it would take those judgement calls out of the equation
But then the sensor would have to cross the goal line. Only part of the ball has to cross. You would have to be able to have the sensor cover the whole ball for that to make sense.
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I've always wondered why the NFL just doesn't put sensors in the players cleats and on the ball to tell if they are past the goal line or out of bounds, the refs would still have to make calls on everything else but it would take those judgement calls out of the equation
I honestly think this could be the next step in terms of officiating. The biggest obstacle is doing so in a way that is safe and won't change the play of the game by a significant amount. Problem is, they still have to decide at what threshhold is significant enough.

But like you said, sensors to see when a goal line/sideline is broken. I don't know what they'd do for baseball. Maybe a sensor in the ball, gloves, and shoes of players. So they can tell exactly when the ball hits a glove compared to when a shoe hits the base. Problem is, it's not always a shoe that hits the base, and idk how plausible any of that is lol.

EDIT: Yea, and where the sensor is placed is a big problem. Also, what's to stop a player from pushing the ball across after they are already down. I know it may not be a big problem, but if it was a close play, the refs would still have to decided the difference between when he was down and when the ball went across, which could be a difference of milliseconds.
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Everyone I would like to welcome Jim Joyce to the Don Dekinger club.



Go **** yourself Don.
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Can't Bud Selig just die already. How can you not change this call? Yeah, it'd probably open up an entirely new can of worms, but you can't just sit back and act like there isn't a problem when there clearly is.
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I'm not as big a fan as most here but here's my two cents on the blown call and why it SHOULDN'T be overturned.

When you play the sport professionally, you agree upon the officiating. Referees get calls wrong all the time... that's part of the game.

The human error is part of what makes the game what it is. It is entirely possible for the field/court to be lined with electronic grids and have sensors that can accurately tell you if something is a foul, a fair ball, etc. but that takes away from the sanctity of the game.

You have to live and die by a referee's call, whether it is right or wrong.

Now, the argument against this is that sometimes the referee could be compromised like Donaghey or those guys in Remember the Titans but it's a risk professional sports have to take.

Picture this, if bud selig goes back and overturns this call, he would most certainly have to go back and overturne all controversial calls. One example would be i think the ball that the home plate umpire deemed to have bounced in the ground (i don't quite know the rule) against aj perzinski. It was the ALDS? when the angels faced the whitesox. The ball had clearly not touched the ground and the angels were walking off the field. the play extended the inning and the white sox eventually won the series. Many angel fans essentially argued that was the turning point of the series (you may dispute this if you want, that's not the point). So in turn, how is this play with joyce and Garalaga any more important than other plays.

At least it's just enough for garalaga to know that he threw a perfect game and that he had it on tape to show his children and grandchildren.
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I'm not as big a fan as most here but here's my two cents on the blown call and why it SHOULDN'T be overturned.

When you play the sport professionally, you agree upon the officiating. Referees get calls wrong all the time... that's part of the game.

The human error is part of what makes the game what it is. It is entirely possible for the field/court to be lined with electronic grids and have sensors that can accurately tell you if something is a foul, a fair ball, etc. but that takes away from the sanctity of the game.

You have to live and die by a referee's call, whether it is right or wrong.

Now, the argument against this is that sometimes the referee could be compromised like Donaghey or those guys in Remember the Titans but it's a risk professional sports have to take.

Picture this, if bud selig goes back and overturns this call, he would most certainly have to go back and overturne all controversial calls. One example would be i think the ball that the home plate umpire deemed to have bounced in the ground (i don't quite know the rule) against aj perzinski. It was the ALDS? when the angels faced the whitesox. The ball had clearly not touched the ground and the angels were walking off the field. the play extended the inning and the white sox eventually won the series. Many angel fans essentially argued that was the turning point of the series (you may dispute this if you want, that's not the point). So in turn, how is this play with joyce and Garalaga any more important than other plays.

At least it's just enough for garalaga to know that he threw a perfect game and that he had it on tape to show his children and grandchildren.
Of course referees get calls wrong, you're not breaking any ground there. I think you're missing the point entirely actually, there is no controversy to this call whatsoever, he was out by a country mile, everybody that watches the tape can see that, even the umpire that made the call agreed with that.

Overturning this call would not only have zero impact on the game, but it would also give the kid a perfect game, something that he, in all likelyhood, will never get close to achieving again in his career.

Another thing, how the **** does Jim Joyce make that call with 1 out in the ninth? How do you call somebody that "close" safe when the pitchers went 8 perfect innings? Yeah Jim Joyce has handled the entire situation with class and respect, but the fact that he made that call should follow him around for the rest of his career. And rightfully so, that was just a joke of a call, god I can't believe that happened. /rant
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I think it is more than advanced enough to handle it. Look at pitch f/x. Can't be worse than what is in place.
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He will make adjustments when that happens. Also, I would love to add that since Jackson is a superior defender, Jackson >>>>> BJ Upton.
"Jackson is a superior defender"

lol
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Chris Capuano is back in the majors after his second Tommy John surgery and is making his first start since 2007 tonight.
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Can't Bud Selig just die already. How can you not change this call? Yeah, it'd probably open up an entirely new can of worms, but you can't just sit back and act like there isn't a problem when there clearly is.
seriously,

What the hell does he even do during the season? Maybe next season the winner of the home run derby will get home field advantage in the wild card round, ******* old coot.
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Of course referees get calls wrong, you're not breaking any ground there. I think you're missing the point entirely actually, there is no controversy to this call whatsoever, he was out by a country mile, everybody that watches the tape can see that, even the umpire that made the call agreed with that.

Overturning this call would not only have zero impact on the game, but it would also give the kid a perfect game, something that he, in all likelyhood, will never get close to achieving again in his career.

Another thing, how the **** does Jim Joyce make that call with 1 out in the ninth? How do you call somebody that "close" safe when the pitchers went 8 perfect innings? Yeah Jim Joyce has handled the entire situation with class and respect, but the fact that he made that call should follow him around for the rest of his career. And rightfully so, that was just a joke of a call, god I can't believe that happened. /rant
hmmm.... I see your point. But here's my thinking and my argument, how can you prioritize one game over another.

such as, I don't think Bud Selig can be like "oh ok, it's just one game that probably has no meaning"

Every game should have equal importance (regular season and postseason alike) in which commissioners and etc. should have no business affecting.
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seriously, What the hell does he even do during the season?
He counts his $18 million salary and laughs maniacally.

(I'm just guessing)
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The NFL has different rules for playoff games and regular season and noone has made a big stink about that.
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