MLB Discussion Thread - Page 194

holt_bruce81 · 06-04-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Whistler6

Against the Brewers...He should be disappointed with giving up those 2 hits. They are just a sad bunch right now. Rickie Weeks' leadoff double sucked me in for the next 9 innings. Shame on me.

Leadoff Double, just a bad read by Colby in Center. Could of easily had that ball if he didn't break in on it at first.

Giantsfan1080 · 06-04-2010, 11:11 PM

If I'm a Marlins fan I'd be real pissed at Hanley yet again. The guy just doesn't get it.

holt_bruce81 · 06-04-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

If I'm a Marlins fan I'd be real pissed at Hanley yet again. The guy just doesn't get it.

What he do now?

Hines · 06-04-2010, 11:17 PM

God damn Duke had to start sucking after starting out well. I hope they can get two runs in the bottom of the nineth.

Giantsfan1080 · 06-04-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by holt_bruce81

What he do now?

Marlins down 4-3 top of the 9th 2 outs. Hits a grounder to 3rd that Wright had to reeally go towards the line for. Wright one hops it right on line but it took a while to get there, meanwhile Hanley was still out by a mile. Game over. On replay it showed Hanley didn't hustle out of the box with the game on the line.

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thenewfeature06

Yeah that list is actually too young T24L... and the next 3 years for some of those players wont be as good as..

C: Joe Mauer (barring injury)
1B: Albert Pujols ( is he gonna turn into Griffey? lololol No. Will still hit the ball)
2B: Robinson Cano (this is his coming out party, but who didn't see it coming)
3B: Evan Longoria
SS: Hanley
OF: Carl Crawford (base stealer, good fielder, good hitter..)
OF: Jacoby Ellsbury (when healthy)
OF: Andre Eithier (clutch city, him or Kemp here doesn't matter but Eithier can bomb)

Agree with this. Some of the young players will be that good or better. But when we make lists like this, I feel like we go way too young. Weiters shouldn't be on any of these lists as he's really shown nothing in the majors yet. And at this point the odds are really stacked against him coming close to being on par with Mauer.

M.O.T.H. · 06-05-2010, 11:55 AM

I'm so glad I wasnt able to watch Heyward strike out 5 times yesterday. A loss was imminent with Kenshin on the hill, opposite Kershaw anyway. But ugh, I would have flipped out seeing J-Hey K up 5 times. geez.

Xiomera · 06-05-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

I'm so glad I wasnt able to watch Heyward strike out 5 times yesterday. A loss was imminent with Kenshin on the hill, opposite Kershaw anyway. But ugh, I would have flipped out seeing J-Hey K up 5 times. geez.

He's no Austin Jackson.

BigDawg819 · 06-05-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Agree with this. Some of the young players will be that good or better. But when we make lists like this, I feel like we go way too young. Weiters shouldn't be on any of these lists as he's really shown nothing in the majors yet. And at this point the odds are really stacked against him coming close to being on par with Mauer.

He's had exactly one year in the big leagues, lets not call the guy a bust just yet.

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDawg819

He's had exactly one year in the big leagues, lets not call the guy a bust just yet.

I'm not saying a complete bust but I don't think he'll ever live up to the hype. And by no means what so ever can you choose him as a top 10 position player you'd have on your team over the next 3 years. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but right now there are just too many better young players.

ATLDirtyBirds · 06-05-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

If I'm a Marlins fan I'd be real pissed at Hanley yet again. The guy just doesn't get it.

Seeing as how he's an amazing baseball player, I'd say he gets it.

Hines · 06-05-2010, 02:23 PM

I'm bored, so I made a 26 and under team:

1B: Prince Fielder
2B: Dustin Pedroia
SS: Hanley Ramirez
3B: Evan Longoria (Zimmerman got a lot of consideration)
LF: Ryan Braun
CF: Andrew McCutchen
RF: Jason Heyward
C: Buster Posey

SP: Stephen Strasburg
SP: Clayton Kershaw
SP: Jon Lester
SP: Ubaldo Jimmenez
SP: Tim Lincecum

CL: Jonathan Broxton

Rotation is not in order.

Hines · 06-05-2010, 02:32 PM

There are so many young and talented OFers in the majors right now it's not even funny. There could have been a lot more players on that list in the outfield. Upton, Ellsbury, Upton, Span, Fowler, Mike Stanton, etc.

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HinesWardJr

There are so many young and talented OFers in the majors right now it's not even funny. There could have been a lot more players on that list in the outfield. Upton, Ellsbury, Upton, Span, Fowler, Mike Stanton, etc.

Not getting the Ellsbury love. Very nice player to have on your team, but he's not at the caliber of these other guys. Especially if he isn't playing CF. Fowler is also a switch hitter who can't hit from the left side. I thought he'd be better. Markakis is still 26. Even with his power outage, I'd take him over either one of those guys.

Hines · 06-05-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Not getting the Ellsbury love. Very nice player to have on your team, but he's not at the caliber of these other guys. Especially if he isn't playing CF. Fowler is also a switch hitter who can't hit from the left side. I thought he'd be better. Markakis is still 26. Even with his power outage, I'd take him over either one of those guys.

I just threw out names on the top of my head. I wasn't saying they would have been on the list that I made up.

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HinesWardJr

I just threw out names on the top of my head. I wasn't saying they would have been on the list that I made up.

I got ya. Fowler's just been really bad this year. Sent back down to AAA after hitting .162/.252/.242 as a left hander batter. He's great against lefties from the right side, but he's got to do a ton better as a lefty hitter unless he wants to be a strict platoon player and defensive replacement.

Michigan · 06-05-2010, 02:55 PM

May I nominate Austin Jackson as well? Here's the catch he made Wednesday:

BigDawg819 · 06-05-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

I'm not saying a complete bust but I don't think he'll ever live up to the hype. And by no means what so ever can you choose him as a top 10 position player you'd have on your team over the next 3 years. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but right now there are just too many better young players.

I'm not leading the charge to put him on these lists, because frankly you are right the value isn't there. That being said, he's still likely to be a very good player and I don't think anyone here disagrees with that assessment. The biggest problem I see is that he plays for the Orioles. The team is a debacle of epic proportions right now. Firing Trembley is a start, but anyone who thinks that he was the only problem probably thinks BP will fix the Gulf situation as well.

The list of problems with the Orioles is far too long to list and goes back long before I was even born LOL. Still I am a fan, but then again I am stubborn :D

But yeah Matt WOO!!!!!!!!

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 03:48 PM

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The list of problems with the Orioles is far too long to list and goes back long before I was even born LOL. Still I am a fan, but then again I am stubborn :D

But yeah Matt WOO!!!!!!!!

Red Sox fans take over the town this weekend? I'm going Thursday night for the Yankees.

Brodeur · 06-05-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Not getting the Ellsbury love. Very nice player to have on your team, but he's not at the caliber of these other guys. Especially if he isn't playing CF. Fowler is also a switch hitter who can't hit from the left side. I thought he'd be better. Markakis is still 26. Even with his power outage, I'd take him over either one of those guys.

Completely agree with the Ellsbury thing. What exactly has he done (defensively or offensively) to show that he'll be the best CF over the next 5 years, over guys like Austin Jackson (who's already a billion times better), Colby Rasmus, Andrew McCutchen, Matt Kemp, Franklin Gutierrez....

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 03:53 PM

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Completely agree with the Ellsbury thing. What exactly has he done (defensively or offensively) to show that he'll be the best CF over the next 5 years, over guys like Austin Jackson (who's already a billion times better), Colby Rasmus, Andrew McCutchen, Matt Kemp, Franklin Gutierrez....

Even when he first came up I never got the hype. BA had him a top 20 prospect at one point. Him and Gardner are indentical players basically. Each do somethings a little better than the other, but close enough. Both are very nice complimentary players on a team because they have one tool that's so ridiculously better than most players. But that's about it. Neither are going to be players you build a team around.

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 03:59 PM

My eyes must deceive me. Chan Ho Park just pitched 2 scoreless innings in extra innings.

Chucky · 06-05-2010, 04:17 PM

AARON HILL....WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Can't wait to go the game tomorrow.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Brodeur · 06-05-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Even when he first came up I never got the hype. BA had him a top 20 prospect at one point. Him and Gardner are indentical players basically. Each do somethings a little better than the other, but close enough. Both are very nice complimentary players on a team because they have one tool that's so ridiculously better than most players. But that's about it. Neither are going to be players you build a team around.

I'd rather have Gardner if I were to pick from the two.

Jughead10 · 06-05-2010, 04:32 PM

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I'd rather have Gardner if I were to pick from the two.

I think it's really close. If it is Gardner it's by ever so little. I'd rather have Gardner too because while Ellsbury has more power, Gardner has better discipline and OBP. Which should allow him to take advantage of his speed more. But for two basically identical players, Ellsbury just got so much more hype. Maybe it was draft position when they were taken and because going into the minors Ellsbury had played better competition in college.