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Old 10-19-2010, 05:08 AM    (permalink
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I think it's rather obvious Cliff Lee is going to be a Yankee.
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$20M+ for Lee really isn't beyond what Texas can do. They gave Vlad $15M last season and ownership was in flux.

Rangers have several significant contracts off the books this summer:

Vladimir Guererro ($15M) - not sure what happens, but there is a mutual option for a 2nd year. personally, i hope he comes back.
Jorge Cantu ($6M) - no way he comes back
Christian Guzman ($8M) - no way he comes back
Darren Oliver ($3.6M) - maybe he returns, not likely
Benji Molina ($6M) - maybe he returns, but it won't be for that kind of money

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clu...LB&majteam=TEX
This is long but here goes...

If the Rangers can continue their run ya'll won't be out of the running for resigning Cliff Lee. When the Rays made their World Series run in 08 it's reported that they MADE $11.5 million during the playoffs. This total would have been higher but the Rays ownership had to make some upgrades before MLB would even let them host a playoff game in the Trop. The Rays had a total of 7 home games at the Trop with a total attendance of just over 300,000 people. Through the first 4 home playoff games the Rangers have averaged right at 50,000. That puts you guys at 200,000 with at the very least 1 more home game in a Stadium that doesn't look like the inside of a Sam's Club warehouse and hasn't had to be upgraded. I know the ownership is strapped for cash but so is/was the Rays ownership and this ownership is in the same situation Stu Sternberg was in. The payroll increased from $40 million to to just over $60 million after that run. That doesn't seem like a huge number but the Rangers have a much larger revenue stream that will only increase the longer this playoff run continues, all this coupled with that fact the Cliff Lee seems to really like playing Texas leads me to think you guys are sitting pretty.

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Lee is going to the Yankees. End of story. You might have a better shot at Lee if the Yanks win the WS as well. When they lose they get pissed and go on spending sprees.
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$20M+ for Lee really isn't beyond what Texas can do. They gave Vlad $15M last season and ownership was in flux.

Rangers have several significant contracts off the books this summer:

Vladimir Guererro ($15M) - not sure what happens, but there is a mutual option for a 2nd year. personally, i hope he comes back.
Jorge Cantu ($6M) - no way he comes back
Christian Guzman ($8M) - no way he comes back
Darren Oliver ($3.6M) - maybe he returns, not likely
Benji Molina ($6M) - maybe he returns, but it won't be for that kind of money

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clu...LB&majteam=TEX
Those numbers are a little off because a lot of those guys you didnt pay for a full year. Yes Jorge Cantu made 6 million over the course of last season, but the Rangers only paid a third of it as he came over late in the season. Sme with Guzman and to a lesser extent Molina. Actually you paid Guzman very little as the Nats threw you some money to take him. Also Vlad made more like 7 million this year. That site is off.

Other things you have to consider. Hamilton is a due a very big pay raise. Although I'm not sure if he can make more than double the 3.25 million he made this year. Same can be said about Nelson Cruz.

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It is pretty obvious that the Yanks need pitching help, and Lee is clearly the best option out there. Given his dominance over them over the past few years, it makes logical sense that they're keeping him away from competitors and getting the best pitcher available on the market. I would say it's 80% likely he ends up in NY.
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Lee is going to the Yankees. End of story. You might have a better shot at Lee if the Yanks win the WS as well. When they lose they get pissed and go on spending sprees.
Last night was probably a blessing in disguise for the Yankees. I don't see any way they don't outbid everyone for Lee.
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Blessing for Lee's agent. Now they'll be able to squeeze the Yankees for extra money and years in a deal. Lee has the absolute upper hand to force NY to overpay. If he doesn't get what he wants, he could always use players like LAA, the Rangers, or even the Mets to force the Yankees hand.
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I remember when everyone thought the Yankees would outbid everyone for A-Rod. One team out there beat them out. Which team was that again?
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I remember when everyone thought the Yankees would outbid everyone for A-Rod. One team out there beat them out. Which team was that again?
A-Rod is on the Yankees right now, so I don't know how much sense this makes.
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it's a shame, Andy pitched really well and he's my boy. damn cliff lee...so so so good
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3 moves that the Rangers made that didn't work

2. Traded A-Rod for Alfonso Soriano. Traded Soriano for Brad Wilkerson and Termel Sledge.
They ultimately traded A-Rod for Wilkerson in my eyes.
So in your eyes, the Rangers signed Brad Wilkerson for $252 million. Solid move.
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I think it's rather obvious Cliff Lee is going to be a Yankee.
This is very true and it pisses me off. But hey, I can't fault the Yankees, they got the money, so spend it. Its what u got to do. Plus, if u can't beat him, sign him.
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I remember when everyone thought the Yankees would outbid everyone for A-Rod. One team out there beat them out. Which team was that again?
No one thought the Yankees would outbid everyone at the time for A-Rod.
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If the Yankees lose in the ALCS I think Cliff Lee is a shoe in to come to NY and I would bet on them making a run at Carl Crawford as well.
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I think LAA is the frontrunner in the Crawford sweepstakes. At leats that's what I heard on the radio last week.
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All we know for sure is that Crawford will not be in TB next season and that he will get a nice deal, probably from an AL team. Tigers and Angels are certainly teams that can use his skills.
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Exactly. That's why I have it on the bad moves list. duh?
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CC was a lock for the Yanks and now Lee is next. I don't know why you're getting your hopes up.
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CC was a lock for the Yanks and now Lee is next. I don't know why you're getting your hopes up.
Because it's the natural thing for a fan to do. duh. haha.

I know the chances are slim, but ownership says keeping Lee is #1 priority so that makes me think there is at least a solid chance. I think it's 50/50.
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http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/18...the-right.html

Anyone think Greinke will get traded? If so, where?
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I remember when everyone thought the Yankees would outbid everyone for A-Rod. One team out there beat them out. Which team was that again?
Actually a few teams did. Their interest at the time for A-Rod wasn't that hot as you make it seem. If anything the Rangers outbid the Mets. That move also made it nearly impossible for your team to operate.
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