MLB Discussion Thread

[mqtirishfan]

Originally Posted by Nalej

I haven't watched Justin Upton. What exactly makes him so valuable to give up Bard and Ellsbury?
Ellsbury is one of the best leadoff men in the bigs and has great range in CF.
Bard is lights out in the back end (wherever it may be) of a game.

Is it potential? Is he a great defensive player? Is number don't look all that great TBH so I'm just curious.

5 tool player with a career line of .272/.352/.471 and he's only 23 years old. If he can stay healthy, he might be among the best players in baseball for the next 10 years. A reliever and a decent CF are certainly worth it.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by fenikz

Let's here your offers for Justin Upton

Jacob Turner and Rick Porcello. That's better than Ellsbury/Bard at least (NO AUSTIN JACKSON DAMMIT).

[Jughead10]

D-Backs aquired Juan Miranda. Could be a low risk high reward player for them as the lefty half of a platoon at 1B. Team control for 6 years, but out of options.

[Brodeur]

Felix wins, which means by proxy............WE HAVE WON!

[Giantsfan1080]

Great news for baseball. The vote wasn't even that close apparently.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

America Wins!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The Terrorists Will Not Be Victorious!

[iowatreat54]

Wait, does this mean I have to restore a little faith in a professional awards system?

[Borat]

Congrats King Felix.

And did I just see a post from T24L? WHere the **** you been man? The Giants won the World Series. I swear. It's true.

[T-RICH49]

Originally Posted by fenikz

Let's here your offers for Justin Upton

Billy Butler+Danny Duffy+another prospect

[ElectricEye]

It would be really funny if we flip Daniel Bard and then turn Andrew Miller into the same player, but left handed. Unlikely, but it would be funny.

[SickwithIt1010]

Originally Posted by ElectricEye

It would be really funny if we flip Daniel Bard and then turn Andrew Miller into the same player, but left handed. Unlikely, but it would be funny.

andrew miller does not have anywhere near the stuff that Bard has.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

andrew miller does not have anywhere near the stuff that Bard has.

..........Yes he does, if he can harness it properly. His fastball/slider combo is ******* ridiculous, he just can't seem to control them at all (although I did hear that his fastball did dip in velocity).

[fenikz]

Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Casey Kelly, Jacoby Ellsbury, Anthony Rizzo, Stolmy Pimentel, and one of Kalish/Anderson. Lower level prospects if you want them too.

I think even this would be low balling AZ, Fan Graphs believes it would take 2 top ten prospects, not two of your team's top ten prospects but two of the best in the entire league

If you take Victor Wang’s estimates of prospect value, that’s something like a top-10 hitting prospect and a top-10 pitching prospect for Upton. Or, to put that into current player terms, that’s something like Mike Moustakas and Mike Montgomery from the Royals, and that’s at the low end of Upton’s value.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...uld-be-unique/

[Giantsfan1080]

Nobody but the Royals would be able to offer a package similar to that though. Top 25 possibly but not two Top 10 guys.

[Jughead10]

Yeah. No way Upton is worth that much. The fact that the Diamondbacks even want to trade him proves he's not worth that. He's not proven enough yet. His value is still based on projections. And if he doesn't hit those projections, his contract gets expensive. Probably why Towers is shopping him around.

[MidwayMonster31]

You would think that the Diamondbacks would want to hang on to a 23 year old on a relatively cheap contract, who's already been an All-Star, and is still improving.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Originally Posted by Borat

Congrats King Felix.

And did I just see a post from T24L? WHere the **** you been man? The Giants won the World Series. I swear. It's true.

The sexual arousement of King Felix woke me up from my slumber

[Giantsfan1080]

It doesn't make much sense the D'Backs are dealing him but I'm not sure that's a real reflection on Upton. He's young and cost controlled and at 14 million that's really not that much money for what you're going to probabaly get out of him. Even if he just repeated his 2009 season for the rest of his career he's worth the money.

[Giantsfan1080]

The Mets will be announcing their new manager on Tuesday. It's possible 3 out of our 4 final candidates will all be on the coaching staff. I didn't really want Melvin but it sounds like he's the frontrunner so I have to trust Sandy & Co.

[Giantsfan1080]

I bet Johan is pissed for not getting the 2005 CY over Colon after today's results. I'm pretty suprised it only took the writers 5 years to learn how dumb they were in previous years.

[Brodeur]

It's because stats have boomed into the mainstream over the last few years.

[thenewfeature06]

Man I want a bat like Adam Dunn in Baltimore that would be a boost.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

It's because stats have boomed into the mainstream over the last few years.

I know but still suprising the writers have changed their ways that quickly.

[fenikz]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

Yeah. No way Upton is worth that much. The fact that the Diamondbacks even want to trade him proves he's not worth that. He's not proven enough yet. His value is still based on projections. And if he doesn't hit those projections, his contract gets expensive. Probably why Towers is shopping him around.

He most definitely is, only reason he is being discussed is because the D'Backs made a ridiculous demand and people are doing everything they can to try to match it