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Old 04-16-2010, 08:43 PM    (permalink
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If Cano wins a gold glove it will be an embarrassment for everyone involved. My guess would be Pedroia winning it.

His hitting more than makes up for it but he's not a good fielder.
He really is a great defender. He used to be lazy, but the past season a half he's been excellent. Cano winning a gold glove if he has a season like last year would be far from the top of embarassments when it has come to the award.

He's better than Pedroia. Pedroia has the flare for being that gritty player who gets he jersey dirty to make plays. Many of those same plays Cano makes effortless.
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He really is a great defender. He used to be lazy, but the past season a half he's been excellent. Cano winning a gold glove if he has a season like last year would be far from the top of embarassments when it has come to the award.


UZR disagrees with you.
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He really is a great defender. He used to be lazy, but the past season a half he's been excellent. Cano winning a gold glove if he has a season like last year would be far from the top of embarassments when it has come to the award.

He's better than Pedroia. Pedroia has the flare for being that gritty player who gets he jersey dirty to make plays. Many of those same plays Cano makes effortless.
He is not better than Pedroia.
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UZR disagrees with you.
I disagree with defensive statistics in general.
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I disagree with defensive statistics in general.
Even if you do, apparently you need glasses.
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I disagree with defensive statistics in general.


Well without them it's completely impossible to tell anyone that someone from their team isn't a good defender. People just assume that anyone on their team who occasionally makes a diving play is a great defender and if they won't accept the stats it's impossible to prove them wrong. Not saying that's you it's just frustrating overall.
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UZR is the most flawed stat I have ever seen. Who came up with it? Probabaly some nerd from Harvard who knows nothing about baseball. It's meaningless.
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UZR is the most flawed stat I have ever seen. Who came up with it? Probabaly some nerd from Harvard who knows nothing about baseball. It's meaningless.


Do you have any reasoning or are you just saying that because it doesn't work in your favor in this instance?
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UZR is the most flawed stat I have ever seen. Who came up with it? Probabaly some nerd from Harvard who knows nothing about baseball. It's meaningless.
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Do you have any reasoning or are you just saying that because it doesn't work in your favor in this instance?
I don't even look at all those sabermetric stats so I don't know where Cano is rated in any of the the devensive categories. I see him almost everynight and I could say that he is a pretty good devensive 2nd basemen.
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Even if you do, apparently you need glasses.
I would recommend you get glasses on this one. You still claim Weiters is an amazing defensive catcher too?
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I would recommend you get glasses on this one.
I know Cano has improved but Pedroia is 2nd to the all world of awesome that is Utley, so saying that Cano is better than the midget douche is just wrong in so many ways.
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I don't even look at all those sabermetric stats so I don't know where Cano is rated in any of the the devensive categories. I see him almost everynight and I could say that he is a pretty good devensive 2nd basemen.

And you are biased. People that actually study this stuff for a living have developed a system to measure how good someone is in the field, and common sense says that is more reliable than someone watching their own favorite team.
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And you are biased. People that actually study this stuff for a living have developed a system to measure how good someone is in the field, and common sense says that is more reliable than someone watching their own favorite team.
Im not being biased at all. I'll tell you that Jeter is easily one of the worst devensive shortstops in the league with the exception of last year. There is this cloud over Cano that says he is not a good devensive player but it's not true at all. Just my .02 cents.
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And you are biased. People that actually study this stuff for a living have developed a system to measure how good someone is in the field, and common sense says that is more reliable than someone watching their own favorite team.
And despite that, they still haven't created a reliable stat for defense in my opinion.
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UZR may not be perfect but it's not as flawed as you make it seem. UZR says that Pedroia was the 3rd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. It also says that Cano was below average and the 16th best defensive 2B in baseball. It's not perfect, but sorry it's not that flawed.
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UZR may not be perfect but it's not as flawed as you make it seem. UZR says that Pedroia was the 3rd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. It also says that Cano was below average and the 16th best defensive 2B in baseball. It's not perfect, but sorry it's not that flawed.
UZR also has Mark Teixeira as the 5th worst 1B in the league last year. Im sorry but that's just nuts.
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UZR also has Mark Teixeira as the 5th worst 1B in the league last year. Im sorry but that's just nuts.
UZR data is ****** with 1st baseman, but with other positions it's a very solid tool.
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UZR data is ****** with 1st baseman, but with other positions it's a very solid tool.
And why is that? Sample issues? The fact that they are expected to cover less zones, which can lead to drastic changes in their rating? I dunno. There are just too many variables for any of it to be used in my opinion.
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And why is that? Sample issues? The fact that they are expected to cover less zones, which can lead to drastic changes in their rating? I dunno. There are just too many variables for any of it to be used in my opinion.
It's just I think 1st baseman with better defenders around them tend to benefit in UZR overall. I do not think Ryan Howard is a better defender than Tex (hell I know he isn't), but he has a better UZR because of certain circumstances. Those zones and so forth don't apply to other positions because it's an easier process to evaluate.
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You were lucky to be at 8-6. You think the Phillies could protect an 8-2 lead. Maybe next time Manuel will be tempted to put Halladay back out there.
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Felipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Send my ass of a manager a thank you card when you get a chance.
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