MLB Discussion Thread - Page 823

Jughead10 · 11-01-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Girardi wasn't a retread. He was the manager for one year in Florida before being jettisoned because he was one of 5 managers who hates Hanley.

Well technically the Yankees were his second team. The point was 90% of the winning managers the last 15 years weren't managing their first team.

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Well technically the Yankees were his second team. The point was 90% of the winning managers the last 15 years weren't managing their first team.

You think that's really important?

Jughead10 · 11-01-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

You think that's really important?

No. But at the same time I don't think you should eliminate retreads from consideration like you seem to imply.

yodapoop · 11-01-2011, 03:53 PM

Tony LaRussa was also a re-tread. I would love TITOOOOOOOOOOO!

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

No. But at the same time I don't think you should eliminate retreads from consideration like you seem to imply.

Why? The ones available aren't that great.

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yodapoop

Tony LaRussa was also a re-tread. I would love TITOOOOOOOOOOO!

Yeah and he won 3 in 32 years of coaching. Big whoop. He made some bad mistakes in this WS that are now forgotten because his team bailed him out.

princefielder28 · 11-01-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

So would that end Prince in a Brewers uniform?

My guess is that Prince ends up with Seattle or the Cubs

Jughead10 · 11-01-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Why? The ones available aren't that great.

Don't like Francona?

nepg · 11-01-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Yeah and he won 3 in 32 years of coaching. Big whoop. He made some bad mistakes in this WS that are now forgotten because his team bailed him out.

3 rings, but he went to the World Series 6 times. 18.8% of your seasons going to the World Series is incredible. Not to mention all of the ALCS and NLCS trips.

keylime_5 · 11-01-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

The bad move was not picking up Sizemore's option, unless the staff knows the severity of his injuries are beyond repair. Sizemore being healthy was something a truly competitive Indians team needs. I don't think they have enough prospective offense to collectively cover that gap, especially with both Lowe and Carmona in the rotation (one rebound is possible, but two is highly unlikely).

Bad move? the guys has glass knees and has been camping out on the DL for the past three seasons.........AND when he was actually in the lineup he wasn't anything like his old self as a hitter. The guy hit .220 this year and was a strikeout machine. No brainer when it comes to not giving him $9 Million to play this year. We have Carrerra and Brantley to play center anyhow, we need a power hitting corner outfielder, not a guy who won't play to tie up all that salary with that might hit .250 if you get really lucky. The Tribe does need to bring in a big back in the worst way though. Big holes at 1B and LF.

Regarding Lowe, it was a very low cost move typical of the Indians when they brought in guys like Kevin Millwood and Kerry Wood in the past that came in and played great. Best case scenario he provides them with a good 5th starter in the rotation, worst case scenario he gets bounced for a young guy like David Huff or Jeanmar Gomez. Not many alternatives in free agency that would've been cheaper either. Pitching not a worry with Masterson, Jimenez, Tomlin, Carmona and all those young guys.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2011, 04:55 PM

MLB managers don't matter much. They're important for keeping the clubhouse together more so than on the field strategy. Unless you get a total moron like Jerry Manuel you'll be more than fine.

yodapoop · 11-01-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Yeah and he won 3 in 32 years of coaching. Big whoop. He made some bad mistakes in this WS that are now forgotten because his team bailed him out.

Yeah cuz the Rangers have how many world series in 50 years? OH SNAP! I went there!

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Don't like Francona?

Well, I don't necessarily think a drunk and uncontrolled lockerroom is good for baseball, but I know the players like it.

Managers are important, but GMs are way more important.

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by yodapoop

Yeah cuz the Rangers have how many world series in 50 years? OH SNAP! I went there!

It's not because of bad managing. You're always good for a laugh yoda! :D

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Washington is a terrible manager yet you continually get to the WS. It just shows you they aren't that important.

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

3 rings, but he went to the World Series 6 times. 18.8% of your seasons going to the World Series is incredible. Not to mention all of the ALCS and NLCS trips.

LaRussa is a great manager, but to group him in with the "retreads" is a disservice to him. So you're getting away from the original point. ...and even as great as he was, his role in winning was marginal at best. Good players, make good managers.

D-Unit · 11-01-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Washington is a terrible manager yet you continually get to the WS. It just shows you they aren't that important.

LOL. Yeah... except his players love him, respect him and play hard for him. But yeah, he's bad if you're a guy who doesn't want his coach to go by his gut.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-01-2011, 05:19 PM

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LOL. Yeah... except his players love him, respect him and play hard for him. But yeah, he's bad if you're a guy who doesn't want his coach to go by his gut.

Like I said they're only important for the clubhouse. His in game strategy is what's missing.

Anyway here are the finalists for the Gold Glove Awards. They're televising the ceremony tonight for the first time. I have no idea why Beltran is there but I'm glad they finally have made the OF three separate positions this time around.

http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/201...e-awards-show/

nepg · 11-01-2011, 05:23 PM

I disagree with Hosmer being left off the 1B list...but then again, he'll probably be on there for the next 10 years, so I guess it's OK to let someone else win it this year.

Brodeur · 11-01-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Like I said they're only important for the clubhouse. His in game strategy is what's missing.

Anyway here are the finalists for the Gold Glove Awards. They're televising the ceremony tonight for the first time. I have no idea why Beltran is there but I'm glad they finally have made the OF three separate positions this time around.

http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/201...e-awards-show/

Ass dribble Cabrera has become the Derek Jeter of the process.

Hines · 11-01-2011, 06:18 PM

If Ronny Cedeno wins a GG, I'd REALLY question the voting process since Jack Wilson never won one and he's infinity times better as a defender than Cedeno. I think Walker should win, but won't because he's not a household name, yet.

Jughead10 · 11-01-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Well, I don't necessarily think a drunk and uncontrolled lockerroom is good for baseball, but I know the players like it.

Managers are important, but GMs are way more important.

Could Washington's coke use lead to an uncontrolled locker room?

yo123 · 11-01-2011, 09:49 PM

The Gold Glove is the most pointless award in sports, and I can't think of one that's particularly close. Maybe Comeback Player of the Year in football.

Brodeur · 11-01-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

The Gold Glove is the most pointless award in sports, and I can't think of one that's particularly close. Maybe Comeback Player of the Year in football.

Manager of the year.

yo123 · 11-01-2011, 09:53 PM

Ah yes. Forgot about that one. I still think it's close. GG is so ridiculously focused on reputation, diving catchez, and for whatever reason hitting that I might still give it the edge.