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And Joaquin Benoit's contract is somehow bad.
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And Joaquin Benoit's contract is somehow bad.
It was the 3rd year.
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Rauch - 1 year $3.5 million
Francisco - 2 years $12 million

It's a shame we're still going to be the worst team in the division.
You better hope you have some leads to protect.
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It was the 3rd year.
His first year is better than any year Francisco has or will ever have.
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The cheapest way to upgrade your team is through the bullpen so that's obviously what Sandy and Co. are trying to do with these moves. It's not like I have any delusion we're going to win 80 games though with the rotation and lineup we'll still be throwing out there.
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His first year is better than any year Francisco has or will ever have.
I have no argument with this. I don't think I ever bashed the Benoit deal anyway.
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The cheapest way to upgrade your team is through the bullpen so that's obviously what Sandy and Co. are trying to do with these moves. It's not like I have any delusion we're going to win 80 games though with the rotation and lineup we'll still be throwing out there.
You probably could have kept Reyes if you gave him some of that Francisco money.
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The cheapest way to upgrade your team is through the bullpen so that's obviously what Sandy and Co. are trying to do with these moves. It's not like I have any delusion we're going to win 80 games though with the rotation and lineup we'll still be throwing out there.
Hasn't really worked out too well for the Orioles the last five times they've tried this.
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Giants trade-Good.

Rauch signing- Fine. Overpaid. I like the guy, but if he rebounds, he's gone at the deadline. Cool.


Francisco-Eh. Not atrocious, too much money obviously though.
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Pirates are interested in Erik Bedard. If he can stay healthy, and that's a big IF, then I say hell yes.
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I laugh at all these winter meetings BS rumors that are constantly spewed out by these writers seemingly every few minutes. You know those guys are just scrambling around all day trying to be the one to break that big signing/trade

must be a tough 4 days for them to get very little sleep or breaks

Also, I think the "mystery team" that also offered Pujols a 10yr deal is probably some made up crap by his sleazeball agent
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Apparently the Tigers are talking to the A's about Gio Gonzalez. We dont really have many pieces to trade. The cupboard is pretty bare.
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Hasn't really worked out too well for the Orioles the last five times they've tried this.
I trust Sandy to deal some of these guys at the deadline for some pieces as well.
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You probably could have kept Reyes if you gave him some of that Francisco money.
I don't know. I haven't heard anything definitively on what we offered Reyes. 2 years $12 million is a long way off from 6 years $107 million.
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I don't know. I haven't heard anything definitively on what we offered Reyes. 2 years $12 million is a long way off from 6 years $107 million.
I know that. But what do you think you offered? If you would have added 3-4 million a year to whatever you had already offered him, wouldn't you rather have him than Francisco? I know the contract would have been a lot longer, but hopefully by 2014 you would be in a better state performance wise and financially.

I guess you could only sign Francisco because the money you thought may have went to Reyes is free now, but that contract to me seems like spending for the sake of spending. Throwing the fans a cookie. And not a really tasty one either.

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I know that. But what do you think you offered? If you would have added 3-4 million a year to whatever you had already offered him, wouldn't you rather have him than Francisco? I know the contract would have been a lot longer, but hopefully by 2014 you would be in a better state performance wise and financially.

I guess you could only sign Francisco because the money you thought may have went to Reyes is free now, but that contract to me seems like spending for the sake of spending. Throwing the fans a cookie. And not a really tasty one either.
I think we probably maxed out at 5 years $90 million or maybe something very close to that. I believe the Wilpons are 100% at fault here but I'm glad we have a creative Front Office here to hopefully right the ship just a little. Of course I'd rather have Reyes than these bullpen moves but knowing that's not a possibility I liked what we did last night. It looks like he's trying to go in the direction they went in SD 2 years when they contended with a strong bullpen. We don't have the same rotation though unfortunately. Fran Francisco is actually pretty good, I don't think we really overpaid for him considering what the other closers have been getting the last two years. If anything we overspent by a million dollars which is really not that big of a deal.
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Who the **** let McCarver in the broadcasting hall of fame?
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I know that. But what do you think you offered? If you would have added 3-4 million a year to whatever you had already offered him, wouldn't you rather have him than Francisco? I know the contract would have been a lot longer, but hopefully by 2014 you would be in a better state performance wise and financially.

I guess you could only sign Francisco because the money you thought may have went to Reyes is free now, but that contract to me seems like spending for the sake of spending. Throwing the fans a cookie. And not a really tasty one either.

the problem with reyes wasn't year dollars... it was length/health incentive based deal which the marlins bypassed and we drew a line in the sand. I would have obviously operated differently, but it is what it is.

It isn't spending to spend because we desperately needed bp help. while Francisco got overpaid, he's actually pretty good. Unfortunately his dollars got bumped up because of being a closer (which is dumb) the contract is reasonable considering what bell/madson
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Kinda thinking the D'Backs are out of the Kuroda running now since we are going after Gio Gonzalez and have talked about resigning Saunders

What do you think his asking price will be?
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Huston Street to the Padres for a PTBNL.
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The Yankees won the bid for Nakajima according to Rosenthal. $2 million posting fee.
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If he signs I'd expect a Nunez trade, I believe ATL showed interest in him earlier.
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Wilson close to the Angels as well. That's a pretty damn good top 3 of Weaver/Haren/Wilson. Probably the second best in baseball next to the Phillies.
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The Yankees won the bid for Nakajima according to Rosenthal. $2 million posting fee.
Nevermind. Saki bombs on me.
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Reyes being interviewed on ESPN right now at the Winter mettings just said he was not made an offer by the Mets at all.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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