MLB Discussion Thread - Page 901

Brodeur · 02-23-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Typical that a Jew finds a loophole.

yodapoop · 02-23-2012, 05:02 PM

Brewer fans: Horay...our best player isn't a cheater. :rolleyes.

I could give a ****. We are the 2011 World Champions, STREAKING!!!!

Mufasa · 02-23-2012, 05:34 PM

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I'll let my buddy take it from here. All u idiots talking about technicality open up for some crow too. See if Espn gets pressured not to..

Seems like there's more information we don't know yet.

yodapoop · 02-23-2012, 05:44 PM

I must say I always thought Braun or maybe I heard him say something like it that he had some medical condition (now one of them was way out there, but u never know), but it was a medical condition, he took something, and that spiked the test. I believed that...

Mufasa · 02-23-2012, 05:49 PM

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part of braun's argument was that the chain of custody was broken for 2 days, meaning the sample was left unprotected

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I must say I always thought Braun or maybe I heard him say something like it that he had some medical condition (now one of them was way out there, but u never know), but it was a medical condition, he took something, and that spiked the test. I believed that...

There was a lot of speculation about that, with herpes being the most common, but I don't think any of it came directly from him.

Stash · 02-23-2012, 06:39 PM

I hope an official explanation is released about why it was overturned or else there will just be endless speculation.

Bengals78 · 02-23-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stash

I hope an official explanation is released about why it was overturned or else there will just be endless speculation.

Im gonna go with Ryan Braun has herpes.
Why? Because I am a Reds fan and wanted to see the Brewers tank. :)

Prowler · 02-23-2012, 07:26 PM

I think as soon as a player tests positive, they need to immediately be retested. They still get punished based on the 1st test, but the 2nd test will be to combat the bs of FedEx delay issues deciding that 20x the normal amount of testosterone isn't cheating.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension

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Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering and didn't dispute the science, but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporters Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn that Braun questioned the chain of custody and collection procedure.

According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to a FedEx Office for shipping.

But the source said the collector thought the FedEx Office was closed because it was late on a Saturday and felt the sample wouldn't get shipped until Monday.

As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it in a cool place, in his basement at his residence in Wisconsin, according to the source.

Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible.

Braun's initial T/E ratio was more than 20:1. Sources previously confirmed synthetic testosterone in his system. A source says MLB is livid and is considering options and other comment.

The source told ESPN the seals were totally intact and testing never reflected any degradation of the sample. Based on the World Anti-Doping Agency code, this is exactly what would have been expected to happen, and the collector took the proper action, the source said.

The source also noted that synthetic testosterone doesn't just show up because a sample sits in one place or another.

Sounds like a 50 game ban to me. I have no real idea how a 2-1 decision can be viewed as a deciding victory. Its a 20:1 ratio of synthetic testosterone. He's a cheater. He got off due to Jewish sympathy. It is completely racial.

fenikz · 02-23-2012, 07:28 PM

GJ Mr. Commish

Bengals78 · 02-23-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

I think as soon as a player tests positive, they need to immediately be retested. They still get punished based on the 1st test, but the 2nd test will be to combat the bs of FedEx delay issues deciding that 20x the normal amount of testosterone isn't cheating.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension

Sounds like a 50 game ban to me. I have no real idea how a 2-1 decision can be viewed as a deciding victory. Its a 20:1 ratio of synthetic testosterone. He's a cheater. He got off due to Jewish sympathy. It is completely racial.

He is on Selig's team. More than being a Jew....
This is ********. He OJ'd his way out.

Damix · 02-23-2012, 07:31 PM

Anyone who tests positive, upheld or not should be retested on a weekly basis for the rest of their career.

Bengals78 · 02-23-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Damix

Anyone who tests positive, upheld or not should be retested on a weekly basis for the rest of their career.

COME ON!
It isn't like they are banned for tax evasion.

Brodeur · 02-23-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Damix

Anyone who tests positive, upheld or not should be retested on a weekly basis for the rest of their career.

Shut up Damix.

Prowler · 02-23-2012, 07:40 PM

Do we draft him a few picks lower in fantasy baseball out of spite?

Mufasa · 02-23-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

I think as soon as a player tests positive, they need to immediately be retested. They still get punished based on the 1st test, but the 2nd test will be to combat the bs of FedEx delay issues deciding that 20x the normal amount of testosterone isn't cheating.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension

Sounds like a 50 game ban to me. I have no real idea how a 2-1 decision can be viewed as a deciding victory. Its a 20:1 ratio of synthetic testosterone. He's a cheater. He got off due to Jewish sympathy. It is completely racial.

Why on earth would he argue tampering. MLB ****** up big time by breaking the chain of custody and so obviously that's the way to win the case. There's a good chance he does believe it was tampered with and in a span of two days it's very possible that it was tampered with, but I'd imagine that's a near impossible argument to prove.

And a 20:1 ratio is insanely high, even for someone on steroids. Either something got messed up or he's the worst cheater ever. Seeing as he's been in the big leagues for 5 years and had never been linked to steroids until now I think that if he is cheating he wouldn't make such a rookie mistake.

gpngc · 02-23-2012, 07:44 PM

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Do we draft him a few picks lower in fantasy baseball out of spite?

No we draft him a few picks lower because he's no longer being protected by Prince Fielder.

Bengals78 · 02-23-2012, 07:46 PM

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No we draft him a few picks lower because he's no longer being protected by Prince Fielder.

LOL.
I hope he has a crashing year.

Prowler · 02-23-2012, 07:54 PM

http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2012...uspension.html -for info on who was on the panel

It was only a 2-1 ruling. MLB executive vice president Rob Manfred, union head Michael Weiner, and some long time MLB arbitrator Shyam Das.

Obviously Manfred and Weiner split at 1-1, and Das was the deciding vote.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/..._2001_11_19_0/ -more on who Shyam Das is.

And Shyam is a hindi name, so I guess he's just stupid. Terrible decision and should be appealed somehow...but probably not possible.

Mufasa · 02-23-2012, 09:20 PM

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The Braun decision was based on HOW the sample was corrupted. Panel was shown exactly what happened, why result was invalid.

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Repeatable result showed exactly how Braun's single test showed positive. Arbitrator agreed. Simple, isn't it?

ATLDirtyBirds · 02-23-2012, 09:38 PM

Carroll seems to be the only one who thinks the sample was corrupted by how it was handled. Strange.

yodapoop · 02-23-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

I think as soon as a player tests positive, they need to immediately be retested. They still get punished based on the 1st test, but the 2nd test will be to combat the bs of FedEx delay issues deciding that 20x the normal amount of testosterone isn't cheating.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension

Sounds like a 50 game ban to me. I have no real idea how a 2-1 decision can be viewed as a deciding victory. Its a 20:1 ratio of synthetic testosterone. He's a cheater. He got off due to Jewish sympathy. It is completely racial.

Holy crap that all sounds super shady to me. Like why is the FedEx dude from Wisconsin. Why the hell would they keep it in the hands of the FedEx guy from the dude's homestate. Whatever the case, cheater or not we beat his team's ass in the NLCS and we won the ******* world series. They can win in the courtrooms, we'll win on the mother ******* field.

Prowler · 02-24-2012, 03:40 AM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension -update

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Braun's representatives are saying there was a difference in the ph balance of Braun's sample when it was taken at the time of the test and when it arrived at the lab in Montreal. A source said the director of the Montreal Olympic doping lab, Christiane Ayotte, testified during the hearing that it was not unusual for the balance to be different, as the equipment used in the field is not as sophisticated and accurate as the equipment in the lab. She also said she did not question the integrity of the sample and that it arrived with all seals intact.

I don't understand the Will Carroll twitter messages. They conflict with ESPN. Sounds like spin. Different PH levels? What does that have to do with the 20:1 synthetic testosterone?

I understand the FedEx guy a little bit. If he's responsible for the sample, then he was just watching over it as opposed to potentially letting it get corrupted by some random FedEx people in an uncontrolled environment.

Prowler · 02-24-2012, 04:13 PM

I don't want to shock anybody, but Grady Sizemore is hurt and will miss opening day.

Xiomera · 02-24-2012, 04:18 PM

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I don't want to shock anybody, but Grady Sizemore is hurt and will miss opening day.

Good thing I was seated already.

Giantsfan1080 · 02-24-2012, 04:34 PM

What a shame about Grady. I hate seeing superstars that can't perform to their potential because of injuries.