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Old 03-07-2010, 02:50 PM    (permalink
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Sexual assault covers a larger area of sexually related crimes, and rape is included in it.
Hmm, so Big Ben and this chick could have engaged in consensual sex, he pulled out and plaster blasted her mug, she got offended and called the police??LOL

Naw, I think this chick is claiming he took the candy without asking nicely first.

Can't wait to hear what the 'witnesses' have to say.
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This was posted on the Steelers official message board. I do not have a link. This is what a witness said.



Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, who was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

Deputy Police Chief Richard Malone said Friday that Roethlisberger had been with three other people who were mingling with another group that included the alleged victim. Malone said the woman and her party contacted a nearby police officer following the alleged assault.

"He's been identified as being at the scene and there are allegations naming him as the perpetrator," Malone said.

The nature of the assault was not described, but Malone did say it was being termed a sexual assault, not a rape.
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Thanx, HinesWardJr!!!

If that report is accurate, damn I feel sorry for Big Ben!!!!

He needs to stop kicking it with the teenyboppers and upgrade to the pro ho's.

VIP room + 2x SB winning NFL QB = steady flow of punani.

These girls were lightweights, you can't really party with chicks who are more preoccupied with term papers and midterms.

I bet ol' Ben grabbed a breasticle.
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Is there a legal difference between 'rape' and 'sexual assault'??
Yea theres a massive difference. Rape is very specific and more severe punishments go with it. Sexual assult is a wide variety of things. Sexual assult chagres can be filed for anything the victim wants really. She says sexual assult and they will investigate.

Not trying to stand up for him, but the thread is just wrong. The word rape hasn't been used by anyone involved.

I don't know nearly enough about this to have decided how I feel about it. The first case had plenty of evidence that the victim was nothing more than a gold digging *****. We'll find out more about this one later.
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The worst part about this entire situation, Steeler fans have lost nearly their entire platform for making Bengal jokes.
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The sexual assualt can be alot of different things including mild gropping, but the fact the victim in this case went to the hospitol doesn't bode well for Ben. If he just touched her breasts or rearend there wouldn't be a need for a hospitol visit. It may take awhile for actual charges to be filed just due to the investigation and how long the prosicution takes to gather and view the evidence.
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The sexual assualt can be alot of different things including mild gropping, but the fact the victim in this case went to the hospitol doesn't bode well for Ben. If he just touched her breasts or rearend there wouldn't be a need for a hospitol visit. It may take awhile for actual charges to be filed just due to the investigation and how long the prosicution takes to gather and view the evidence.
Thats the thing. Sometimes people want Law and Order/CSI crime solving time tables. It takes more than 5 minute to get a test result in real life and could take a long time to get the whole case ready to file because of that stuff.
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then you should bloody well learn how to read the source material.

further, i was speaking directly to this load of garbage:



which may describe YOUR situation very well, but the instant you add 'most' and 'a lot' you've lost it.

in any case, let me know when you've actually read any one of the links, then we can talk about her 'looking for money'.
Alright, so just because i only cited my personal knowledge makes it less true?

I gave a general statement towards why this situation seems completely wrong from what some people suggested about what happened. The suggestions being that she wanted money. Dont attack me for disproving that it would be rape.

Im not specifically addressing this case, so id prefer to not dose off on an argument that really has nothing to do with the true details that are involved in the case. It was just my opinion that the suggested money craving and quick response to a rape (which was what was said it was) would inevitably prove as a false accusation because rape victims just dont react that way.
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The nature of the assault was not described, but Malone did say it was being termed a sexual assault, not a rape.
There you go njx, not a rape, clears up the fact that im right it couldnt have been. But as for the schizophrenia, you can go to any physchologist and im pretty sure they'll list it as a high possibilty for a rape victim and again state that reasons why women dont come foward is because of fear and becoming mentally unstable.
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I like how some people assume that everyone reacts in exactly the same way to any given situation.
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I don't think immediately reporting a rape disproves the possibility of it just because it's not a typical response.
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I don't think immediately reporting a rape disproves the possibility of it just because it's not a typical response.
No but if a woman waits, the same people discredit her for waiting.
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No but if a woman waits, the same people discredit her for waiting.
Lol, seriously.

If you report it right away you lack the mental instability that you would have if you were actually raped. If you report it later you're also lying.
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I don't think immediately reporting a rape disproves the possibility of it just because it's not a typical response.
Two very unusual reactions, you can think that, but...

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60% of victims of sexual assault (not always rape) do not report it. It has since decreased however.

73% of victims know their assailants yet only 6% of the rapists do jailtime.

Effects of Rape
Victims of sexual assault are:
3 times more likely to suffer from depression.

6 times more likely to suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder.

13 times more likely to abuse alcohol.

26 times more likely to abuse drugs.

4 times more likely to contemplate suicide.
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60% is dangerously near to 50/50. Thus in favor of my point saying not everybody reacts the same at all. I see no stat at all in those you've brought that actually says anything about the time between the agression and the report, which was the point we were arguing in the first place. So, like, what's your point exactly?

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60% is dangerously near to 50/50.
its also not only rape, i cant find those statistics, but those should be significantly higher than non rapes. Ill try to find those for you if your not convinced.
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Not sure how up to date or true these statistics are but:

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Edit: so this would mean 63% arent reported, i thought itd be 70/75%. But it also doesnt state when, so theres no way to prove that point other than getting psychologists opinions.
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its also not only rape, i cant find those statistics, but those should be significantly higher than non rapes. Ill try to find those for you if your not convinced.
What are you trying to convince people of? That most rape victims don't report it at all/straight away so anyone who does should be treated with suspicion?

I don't think anyone is arguing that rape has a great psychological tole on the victims and they often don't report it, but that shouldn't discredit the people who do come forward early.

Also as you yourself pointed out this is currently looked at as a sexual assault (although rape still falls under sexual assault) so the 60% statistic applies here.
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60% is dangerously near to 50/50. Thus in favor of my point saying not everybody reacts the same at all. I see no stat at all in those you've brought that actually says anything about the time between the agression and the report, which was the point we were arguing in the first place. So, like, what's your point exactly?
Well this is far from a proven fact because its only out of a testing group of 3,006 women but....

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Of the sources i referenced both the first and this one are relevant and valid sources, the middle one i dont really know.
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Also as you yourself pointed out this is currently looked at as a sexual assault (although rape still falls under sexual assault) so the 60% statistic applies here.
im not even talking about this case anymore, im talking about rape. This is off topic and all i was trying to say is that the suggestions made would lead to something other than rape.
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im not even talking about this case anymore, im talking about rape. This is off topic and all i was trying to say is that the suggestions made would lead to something other than rape.
Ok fair enough, I still disagree that you could confidently say that it was rape (in general not specifically this case)

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I can't really help but question the validity of a statistic that can't be verified in any imaginable way. How do they come up with "This year there's been 750 rapes reported, it's only fair to assume there's really been around 2250".

Anyway. I'm enclined to believe that a fair share that could be a good majority of the rapes aren't reported. But I'd also bet my ass that for those who are reported, it is pretty well balanced when it comes to how much time the victim has waited before coming out. And that is my point. Yeah, there's not many victims who will report it straight away. There's also not many that will report it, say, 1 month after, or 2 months after, or 3 years after the fact.

If, say, in a random 20 girls who got raped, 10 never said a word. And out of the other 10, one reported it straight away, another one after a year, another after 2 years and so on, where do we draw the line? It would seem to me that it is just as rare that a girl reports an incident a year after than it is to report it immediately. I don't think anyone of those should be discredited based on how much time has passed since the raping, whether it be none or 10 years.

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Ok fair enough, I still disagree that you could confidently say that it was rape (in general not specifically this case)

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20% is a large enough number that you shouldn't jump to conclusions.
Wasnt arguing that they dont report it, was arguing that it shouldnt be such a small deal to them and the fact that money would be the only revenge to an NFL QB who has plenty of it and can make it go away like its nothing and the fact that it happened so quickly would lead one to conclude its not rape.

But it turns out according to what Hinesward said the assault didnt even really seem to be on her, and she knew who he was because her friend was a fan.
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It seems we're pretty much not even arguing about the same thing, might as well end it.
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