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Old 03-05-2010, 08:03 PM    (permalink
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The Titans? Really?

They have one of the best (if not the best) offensive lines in football, the best RB in the NFL, and Kenny Britt, a very good, young WR. The Titans and Chiefs aren't even in the same stratosphere when it comes to offensive talent.
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I don't really think you have any say so when your traded, Boldin wasn't a FA. I doubt Vrabel wanted to be apart of the Chiefs and Seymour wanted to go to the Raiders either.
No team was trading for Boldin unless they could get an extension worked out with him. If he didn't want to play for the Cheifs he wasn't going there.
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The Titans? Really?

They have one of the best (if not the best) offensive lines in football, the best RB in the NFL, and Kenny Britt, a very good, young WR. The Titans and Chiefs aren't even in the same stratosphere when it comes to offensive talent.
I'm talking about WRs all our wideouts suck besides kenny. The Cheifs got bowe(who had a good rookie year like kenny) so we are pretty much alike and if they resign Chambers, they will have better wideouts.
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The Cards got punked, cause they got a ham sandwich and an 18 pack for one of the better, more consistent WRs of the past seven years. When they had the opportunity to trade him, at a ridiculous value, they were too proud and kept him, despite his numerous attempts at getting out of there.
BS. Best offer we got last year was a mid 2nd rounder, that's not ridiculous value compared to 3rd and 4th this year. We were coming off a superbowl, in a division we were likely to win again and still had Warner who had showed he gave us a legit shot to win any playoff game. Plus Boldin was cheap and Doucet hadn't shown anything yet besides a tendency to get injured, it had nothing to do with us being 'too proud'.


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And no, the Cards don't rape at making mid rounders starters. In the past four drafts, the only notables past the second round are Steve Breaston and Tim Hightower. So yeah, good luck with that.
I wouldn't say rape but besides Breaston and Hightower, Doucet and Patrick I think are notable. LSH is good and Keith/Johnson and Toler (at nickleback) are likely starting for us next year. If you go back 5 instead of 4 years you can add in Dockett and Antonio Smith.
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No team was trading for Boldin unless they could get an extension worked out with him. If he didn't want to play for the Cheifs he wasn't going there.
It had absolutely no idea what he wanted to do, why is that so hard to understand? Where is Richard Seymour's longterm contract at right now? Oh yea.....


If the Chiefs wanted to give up a good deal, he would be playing for KC point blank.
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It had absolutely no idea what he wanted to do, why is that so hard to understand? Where is Richard Seymour's longterm contract at right now? Oh yea.....


If the Chiefs wanted to give up a good deal, he would be playing for KC point blank.
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The trade came together quickly. Graves said several teams had expressed an interest in Boldin since the Scouting combine and the Cardinals gave agent Tom Condon permission to speak to teams about the parameters of a contract extension – one that was necessary to get a trade finalized.
From the Cards site. Of course the Cheifs could have blown us away with an offer and no one would care what Boldin thought, I don't think anyone is arguing that. The point is why would the Cheifs make a significant offer for what would be essentially a one year rental if Boldin said he wouldn't sign an extension with there.

On Seymour - Al Davis. Most people were mystified that he hadn't sorted out an extension before the trade.

On Vrabel - Cassell was the point of that trade, Vrabel was a secondary piece.
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From the Cards site. Of course the Cheifs could have blown us away with an offer and no one would care what Boldin thought, I don't think anyone is arguing that. The point is why would the Cheifs make a significant offer for what would be essentially a one year rental if Boldin said he wouldn't sign an extension with there.

On Seymour - Al Davis. Most people were mystified that he hadn't sorted out an extension before the trade.

On Vrabel - Cassell was the point of that trade, Vrabel was a secondary piece.


It would be 2 years if you franchised him, and who knows what shape he'll be in in 3 years with how physical he plays and how much he's been injured. Also the asking price was a 3rd and 4th, so your use of the word "significant" doesn't apply to that price tag.


If Boldin did not want to play for the Chiefs, but they offered their 3rd and 4th round picks which are higher, where do you think Boldin would be going? Or do you think AZ was going to be nice and ask if they were going to sign him longterm, then politely decline because they want to make sure Boldin gets paid?


Maybe they did work out a contract in advance, never said they didn't, I said that who Boldin did, and didn't want to play for had absolutely no bearing on where he ended up, it wasn't up to him. If a team kept him for 2 years without signing him to an extension it would be well within their rights and it's happened quite a bit with trades of players up for new deals, the new deal doesn't always happen as soon as the trade is finalized.
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It would be 2 years if you franchised him, and who knows what shape he'll be in in 3 years with how physical he plays and how much he's been injured. Also the asking price was a 3rd and 4th, so your use of the word "significant" doesn't apply to that price tag.
I think a high 3rd and a high 4th for a team with as many holes as the Chiefs would be significant investment for a one or two year rental. Especially considering they are a team that wants to build through the draft and not free agency.

Still I agree that Boldins feelings don't matter, I just don't think the investment would have been worth it to the Cheifs (or any team for that matter) if they didn't get an extension. Something to consider here though is if Boldin says he would hold out, which I think would be likely if he didn't want to go somewhere, would the team really want to deal with that headache?

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If Boldin did not want to play for the Chiefs, but they offered their 3rd and 4th round picks which are higher, where do you think Boldin would be going? Or do you think AZ was going to be nice and ask if they were going to sign him longterm, then politely decline because they want to make sure Boldin gets paid?
Of course he goes to the Chiefs in this situation. If the offers were equal the Cards would still probably choose KC because of the Haley connection.

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Maybe they did work out a contract in advance, never said they didn't, I said that who Boldin did, and didn't want to play for had absolutely no bearing on where he ended up, it wasn't up to him. If a team kept him for 2 years without signing him to an extension it would be well within their rights and it's happened quite a bit with trades of players up for new deals, the new deal doesn't always happen as soon as the trade is finalized.
In the end this is all conjecture, I am sure he would play for the Chiefs if he was traded there. Not trying to be arguementitive just wondering which high profile player has been traded in the final year of their contract and hasn't gotten an extension? Seymour, but again I think that's more Al Davis being crazy. Cassel kind of, he didn't get one straight away but it was always coming. Moss I think and Cromartie this year probably.

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Let me tell you how phucking happy I am right now.
Anquan is a beast with the ball, and he's 1 tough son-of-a-gun.
Flacco is jerking off watching Boldin highlights as we speak!
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Boldin fits the Ravens perfectly. Flacco might get him killed, but while he's healthy, he should be great. The contract really wasn't that bad either. It'll be interesting to see who they draft in the first now.
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And what did the Cowboys give up for Roy Williams again compared to this? I know Roy is younger and doesn’t have the injury concerns of Boldin but still...
Just because the Cowboys overpaid for a underachieving WR doesn't mean every team has to trade an equivalent draft pick for a WR. Baltimore got a good deal for Boldin. Arizona is really going to be bad next season.
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Ugh I have a feeling Dmase ends up with the Patriots.
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BS. Best offer we got last year was a mid 2nd rounder, that's not ridiculous value compared to 3rd and 4th this year. We were coming off a superbowl, in a division we were likely to win again and still had Warner who had showed he gave us a legit shot to win any playoff game. Plus Boldin was cheap and Doucet hadn't shown anything yet besides a tendency to get injured, it had nothing to do with us being 'too proud'.
How the heck do you know what the best offer the Cards got was? Teams like the Redskins were willing to trade TWO first round picks for Chad Johnson, you don't think the Cardinals could have squeezed Snyder for something better than a 3rd and 4th? Hell, that man traded a 5th round pick for James Thrash! James. F'n. Thrash. Multiple times Steve Breaston showed that he could step in and be a starter opposite Fitzgerald, yet you still wanted to hold on to him. For what reason? The Cards were basically saying, "you're under contract with us, so here is where you're staying", instead of taking a logical approach to the rift and looking for a trade partner that would be willing to overpay for him.




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I wouldn't say rape but besides Breaston and Hightower, Doucet and Patrick I think are notable. LSH is good and Keith/Johnson and Toler (at nickleback) are likely starting for us next year. If you go back 5 instead of 4 years you can add in Dockett and Antonio Smith.
Doucet has 1 career touchdown. He hasn't amounted to anything yet. You're dipping into the crapshoot of players at that point, and that's what you decided to take in exchange for a multiple pro bowl WR.
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How the heck do you know what the best offer the Cards got was? Teams like the Redskins were willing to trade TWO first round picks for Chad Johnson, you don't think the Cardinals could have squeezed Snyder for something better than a 3rd and 4th? Hell, that man traded a 5th round pick for James Thrash! James. F'n. Thrash.
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The Cards were open for a trade last year during the draft. All of the reports that came out said that the Bears offer was the best (a mid 2nd) the Cards wanted more so kept him. You make it sound we turned down all of these massive offers but there never were any.

Don't forget that Edwards was also available (a younger probowl receiver that no one offered anything for either) and the draft was stacked with good WR prospects in the first round.

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Multiple times Steve Breaston showed that he could step in and be a starter opposite Fitzgerald, yet you still wanted to hold on to him. For what reason? The Cards were basically saying, "you're under contract with us, so here is where you're staying", instead of taking a logical approach to the rift and looking for a trade partner that would be willing to overpay for him.
If you can find reports of teams that wanted to overpay for him I would agree. Plus my point was with Warner there hanging on to Boldin gave us a better shot at going deep in the playoffs. How is that being spiteful? It's not like we were a team that had no shot at anything and we were hanging on to him just because.


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Doucet has 1 career touchdown. He hasn't amounted to anything yet. You're dipping into the crapshoot of players at that point, and that's what you decided to take in exchange for a multiple pro bowl WR
Don't forget his 2 TD playoff performance. I am higher on Doucet than most but his lack of production came from him being stuck as the 5th receiver (Urban is good on ST Doucet is not), when they moved him to 4th he started performing well and looked very good filling in for Boldin at the end of the season.

Edit: Just a thought, with the extra picks I wouldn't be suprised if we went after Olsen.

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The Titans? Really?

They have one of the best (if not the best) offensive lines in football, the best RB in the NFL, and Kenny Britt, a very good, young WR. The Titans and Chiefs aren't even in the same stratosphere when it comes to offensive talent.
Um, and VY. DUH.
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Ugh I have a feeling Dmase ends up with the Patriots.
Terrible. I don't think he'd look good in a Patriots uniform. Why in the world is Baltimore not trying to resign him? Both Mason and Boldin would be great targets for Flacco. D-Mase is one my favorite players. I wouldn't want to see him retire a Patriot.
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The Cards got punked, cause they got a ham sandwich and an 18 pack for one of the better, more consistent WRs of the past seven years. When they had the opportunity to trade him, at a ridiculous value, they were too proud and kept him, despite his numerous attempts at getting out of there.

And no, the Cards don't rape at making mid rounders starters. In the past four drafts, the only notables past the second round are Steve Breaston and Tim Hightower. So yeah, good luck with that.
I agree with the Cardinals getting taken advantage of in this trade. Looks like Baltimore is on the rise as one of the new powerhouses of the AFC. If they got Kevin Walter that would just be unfair.
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The Ravens are easily my second favorite team. Devloping WRs is risky business and they got a damn good one for a pretty fair price. I can't wait to watch that team next year. If Mcgahee runs as hard as he did in the playoffs watch out.
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Ugh I have a feeling Dmase ends up with the Patriots.
If he goes anywhere its to retirement probably unless a lot has changed in the past year. He pretty much retired last year and then got talked out of it.

This trade made too much sense. Ever since Boldin said he wanted a new deal or out of Arizona, Baltimore and Miami have been the most obvious places for him to wind up, and each of them got a former Cardinal stud today since the Dolphins grabbed (or are soon...) Dansby.
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Great deal by the Ravens. Rip off

Granted zona just wanted to get rid of him and it was clear so they wouldn't get much.
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Great deal by the Ravens. Rip off

Granted zona just wanted to get rid of him and it was clear so they wouldn't get much.
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I have slept on it and moved on nothing I say or do is going to bring Boldin to KC.
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I think it's wild, I'd have given a second rounder for him as almost any team, I'd probably do it even as the Saints
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