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Rolle was a cornerback at the U. He couldn't make it as a CB in the NFL. He was considered a bust for as high as he was drafted. The move to S turned out to be a career saver. Overpaid. No doubt in my mind.
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then what was the point of signing Rolle to such a large contract?
Because we most likely wont get what he brings to the table in a rookie, and he fits what Fewell wants to do on defense. This allows us to focus on other needs and not come out of draft day without a crucial piece missing.
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really? what's the point of giving him that contract?
First off, his talent.
secondly, his youth compared to the rest of the market.
What else was it? Go after the aging Sharper who'd give us 2 years max (if he'd even sign here) Give up picks AND a large contract for Otogwe? It makes sense all around. He fits our new scheme with Fewell and it's (assuming, havne't checked the numbers) a front loaded deal. It's a great signing all around for us. It also lets us address our other needs of DT, LB and OL in the draft instead of worrying about a safety early.
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Its the same as Duante Robinson getting a large contract. There isn't anyone really out there, and its uncapped and then lockout so F it.
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The contract is not as bad as it looks. He only got $15 million guaranteed. He'll never see those final two years.
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"We're going to have a brotherhood relationship," Rolle said. "He's never going to leave my side now because I'm desperately going to need him. And we're going to need each other. I'm going to make sure he's doing whatever it takes to get back on the field, be my partner, side by side."
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that's awesome. God I just want KP healthy and to have the 2 of them at safety. Throw in Webster-Thomas-Ross at CB and we've got a nice young, talented secondary. WOO!
I think Ross is going to rebound this year, he was hampered by hamstrings two years in a row now. Him and Rolle really compare similarly coming out of college, the only difference is Ross has more speed and Rolle is more physical.

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in regards to the signing, I like the player, and at first i was worried bc it would be overpaying for a solid but not spectacular player, but I'm pleasantly surprised that it was only 15 million guaranteed.

He'll never see those last 2 years of that contract. This was actually a pretty decent deal, and allows us to go after DTs and LBs in the draft in the first 2 rounds.

If we didn't run that Tampa 2 crap, and if (big if) KP's career isn't over, we'd have 1 of the best secondaries in the league next year.

But we probably won't. Our defense is built to be a pressure based man coverage D, but we'll just rush 4 and drop everyone in a tampa 2 shell.

Awesome, I can't wait.

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in regards to the signing, I like the player, and at first i was worried bc it would be overpaying for a solid but not spectacular player, but I'm pleasantly surprised that it was only 15 million guaranteed.

He'll never see those last 2 years of that contract. This was actually a pretty decent deal, and allows us to go after DTs and LBs in the draft in the first 2 rounds.

If we didn't run that Tampa 2 crap, and if (big if) KP's career isn't over, we'd have 1 of the best secondaries in the league next year.

But we probably won't. Our defense is built to be a pressure based man coverage D, but we'll just rush 4 and drop everyone in a tampa 2 shell.

Awesome, I can't wait.

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Come on BBD have hope. The players Fewell was given in both Buffalo and Chicago were Cov 2 guys, he had a few guys that were scheme flexible but that was it. With us, its a completely different set of personel.

Breaking it down, Signing Antrel does point to his defense at Buffalo being established here, but Rolle is alot more versatile than Jarius Byrd, he can cover the slot yet run in single high. There's no reason why we cant run an adjusted version of Spag's defense.
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We won't. You know that deep down. Guys don't come in to run other guy's schemes. It doesn't work that way. You run what you know.

Fewell knows Tampa 2. Thats what he's running.


You don't put a Vegan in charge of a barbeque. You don't hire a Tampa 2 guy to run a pressure defense.

He was hired to run what he knows. He's running Tampa 2.
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We won't. You know that deep down. Guys don't come in to run other guy's schemes. It doesn't work that way. You run what you know.

Fewell knows Tampa 2. Thats what he's running.


You don't put a Vegan in charge of a barbeque. You don't hire a Tampa 2 guy to run a pressure defense.

He was hired to run what he knows. He's running Tampa 2.
No, but good defensive coordinators adjust to the talent they have, regardless of the scheme.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but: Antrell Rolle is not even close to being as good as Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu, right? And yet here he is, getting a contract in that same league?
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We won't. You know that deep down. Guys don't come in to run other guy's schemes. It doesn't work that way. You run what you know.

Fewell knows Tampa 2. Thats what he's running.


You don't put a Vegan in charge of a barbeque. You don't hire a Tampa 2 guy to run a pressure defense.

He was hired to run what he knows. He's running Tampa 2.
You're right, but he did not run a traditional Tampa 2 system whatsoever. I hope to god that he doesn't force zone on Corey Webster, he is strictly a press corner. Thomas and Ross however would probably be better in Zone seeing how they are both quicker than fast and have much more fluid hips.

Fewell isnt the same guy as Sheridan. He's alot more risk/reward oriented from what ive read. He has ran zone blitzes on occasion. And although he has vowed to adjust his scheme to his players, its tough to believe that, i know. He does however seem to get the best out of his players, and if he wants to be the best he can be and have his players be the best they can be, he'll adjust to their talents.
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It won't be a true Tampa 2. I just don't see it, unless we revamp both our MIKE and SAM positions.

But the basic coverage shells will be Tampa 2. Just like Sheridan.

He'll blitz. Every team blitzes. It just won't be his MO, like it was for Spags. He won't use the same fronts Spags did. He won't use the same ZB techniques Spags did, and if he does, he won't use it as often as Spags did.

He'll run today's version of the Tampa 2. You'll see some man, you'll see some zone, but the coverage shells will still have that basic 2/3 deep principle.

And whats with this notion that Fewell was a great DC? How? His defenses were mediocre his entire tenior at Buffalo. Why? Bc his players said he's a good guy? Who cares what they say. Players also like Raheem Morris. Newsflash, Morris sucks.

I won't buy into the Fewell hype until i see it. I'm not expecting much.
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Hey BBD, when was the last time Fewell ran a true blue cover-2? I've only seen his work in buffalo and sure as hell wasn't there. Plus the man changed what he was doing based on who he had healthy a lot so he's used to adjusting to different personnel. Why not chillax until he actually gives us some proof that he's incompetent?

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Agreed. KP+Antrel should be good for us and gives us safeties with range and athletiscism. Should take away some of the nightmares of Desean Jackson streaking down field with nobody within 20 yards of him.

But with the bolded: It also frees us up to even look if an OT we like falls to us. I believe LB isn't even THAT huge a need for us right now.(depending on what we do with sintim)
We desperately need help at DT, we've got Canty and Alford coming of a season ending knee surgery. That won't get us anywhere, we need a starting caliber tackle and another good rotational guy, so while getting bookends would be sweet we need to go DT in round one and then again later.

What I do hope we do to address the OL is grab Matt Tennant, kid's a gamer and Coughlin's going to be able to put away the vigra for good with the boner he's going to give him. If we nab him in round 3 I think our Offense will be set and ready to beast, Beatty - Diehl - Tennant - Snee - McKenzie/Whimper, yeah I'd be really happy with that.

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Hell, I wouldn't mind giving a 3rd for Kirk Morrison...
Agreed on Sintim, kid looked plenty athletic enough at virginia and during the little time we got to see him. I say we give him a chance before we right him off because he does have a lot of potential. If we end up grabbing Daryl Washington to be our Mike in round two we'd have Boley and him who can cover huge amounts of ground so we could protect sintim and let him focus on using his pass rushing, strength against the run and good zone instincts.
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It's still a defense for vaginas. How many true Cover-2 teams have won a Super Bowl? One?
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Whimper hasnt proved himself as a run blocker, putting him at RT would futher cripple our run offense, we need to either draft a guy or put Diehl there instead of guard.


Agreed on Sintim, kid looked plenty athletic enough at virginia and during the little time we got to see him. I say we give him a chance before we right him off because he does have a lot of potential. If we end up grabbing Daryl Washington to be our Mike in round two we'd have Boley and him who can cover huge amounts of ground so we could protect sintim and let him focus on using his pass rushing, strength against the run and good zone instincts.

Sintim has no potential in a Tampa 2 like system, he just MAY have passed for something in a Spags system, but in a Tampa 2 he is almost ideal at DE
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I mostly agree with you (**** you Rod Marinelli). Has anybody mocked Weatherspoon to the Giants yet? He seems like he could be a good cover 2 MLB.
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