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Old 03-07-2010, 12:37 PM    (permalink
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David Garrard is painfully average. He's not a Super Bowl-type QB.
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I read somewhere that Kampman will play RDE and Derrick Harvey will play LDE. If they manage to resign Reggie Hayward (which doesn't look a whole lot likely - we could use all the pass rush we can get but it's easier to part ways with him now) Reggie would compete with Harvey for LDE, and Quentin Groves I'm guessing would back up at RDE. Groves was a disappointment this past year.

Other stuff I've read says that the Jaguars will probably pursue MLBs, DTs, and OL backups. I wonder if they'll go after safeties like Atogwe and Pool, though. The fact that safety is such a need and they don't want to look for one means that 1) they like Reggie Nelson more than they should or 2) they want one in the draft.
Yikes. Kampman played his entire career at LDE for us.
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no, but the Jaguars should look for QBs is what I'm saying.
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Yikes. Kampman played his entire career at LDE for us.
Do you think he would be noticeably worse at RDE? I mean, was he at all good as a 3-4 OLB? Because if so, wouldn't that be a factor for making him RDE, since that's the more open pass-rushing side? I guess the coaching staff likes Harvey against the run. Or, to put it better, they would like their better pass rusher on the right side.
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Do you think he would be noticeably worse at RDE? I mean, was he at all good as a 3-4 OLB? Because if so, wouldn't that be a factor for making him RDE, since that's the more open pass-rushing side? I guess the coaching staff likes Harvey against the run. Or, to put it better, they would like their better pass rusher on the right side.
I believe we tried him at RDE earlier in his career and he was just better suited to play the left side. Usually the RDE is your run stopper because teams typically try to run to the weakside. Kampman can pass rush and stop the run but I think it'd be pretty foolish to move him at this point in his career and put him up against LT's.
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Yikes. Kampman played his entire career at LDE for us.
He played the left side because he's so good against the run. I can't see why he'd have any problems on the right, though I don't understand why Jacksonville wouldn't want him on the left.
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Usually the RDE is your run stopper because teams typically try to run to the weakside.
Hm can't really agree here. Besides if Kampman has excelled at LE it's silly to sign him and move him. The only real argument for it is to help Harvey's development but honestly a prime FA signing should be given as many opportunities to succeed as possible and an arbitrary position change isn't where I personally would start.
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Great signing. Steal. If they bring him along slowly he will be a beast again.

He is mini Strahan. Not many bullrushers around anymore, and this guy is the prototype LE.

I love him, he's been 1 of my favorite pass rushers in the league the past 3 years prior to the 3-4 switch.


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Wait, they're moving Kampman to RE?

WTH?!


Del Rio (aka PimpinFresh), this is why you suck as a HC.


He is not a RE at all. He's built to play LE. All the way.
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really, is it that big of a deal? I've gotten the sense lately that the NFL is moving away from side-specification like FS/SS and RE/LE and more towards flexibility.
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really, is it that big of a deal? I've gotten the sense lately that the NFL is moving away from side-specification like FS/SS and RE/LE and more towards flexibility.
Jack of all trades, master of none. Kampman is a master of the LDE position.
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Yeah, Harvey should go to RE and learn from Kamp and Cullen.

I hope we can snag McClain in the first round.
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I really like this move for the Jags.
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really, is it that big of a deal? I've gotten the sense lately that the NFL is moving away from side-specification like FS/SS and RE/LE and more towards flexibility.
In the secondary maybe, but how often do players in the front seven flip mirror style? Almost never IMO. The outside linebackers do it in a 4-3, not so much 3-4, and DEs will move over and play DT, but they almost never flip.
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really, is it that big of a deal? I've gotten the sense lately that the NFL is moving away from side-specification like FS/SS and RE/LE and more towards flexibility.
It depends on the player's skill set. Kampman is a bullrusher, he is not built to play RE.

RE's prototypicaly are speed rushers who stretch out that LT and give their UT more area to shoot the gap against the LG and create inside pressure.

Kampman can't do that. He's going to bullrush his Tackle into the qb, he won't stretch an offensive line.

What you can do is if he's a RE, is bullrush him and do an outside stunt with your DT (or situationally substituted DE in the UT position), similar to what Tennessee did with Haynesworth at RE and KVG at UT, which allowed KVG to beat a G on an outside speed rush on the way to the qb.

Its actually a very effective rush. The Giants used to do it with Tuck and Osi during our SB year. It was our most effective stunt, teams couldn't block it at all.

But thats just 1 situational rush. Typically you want that edge rusher at RE, not only does he provide more space for your UT to operate, but he also slides RBs and TEs in wide protection, allowing for more favorable blitz packages.
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I'm legitimately upset that Kampman is on another team. I really like this signing for Jax, however.
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I think it's because of size. Kampmann is 250-260, while Harvey is 280.
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Kamp plays a lot bigger than 260. He's great with leverage. He's mini Strahan.


Harvey needs to shed weight so he can speed rush again. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I don't like Kampman at RE.
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Well in this case it probably does. I doubt Harvey would be good at all if he were light. While Del Rio has his problems, I don't think defensive knowledge is one of them. Also, quoting Kampman from his press conference:

“We have talked about right end. I’ve done both in my career.”
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Did Kampman lose weight last year to prepare for the 3-4 or has he always been around 260?
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Did Kampman lose weight last year to prepare for the 3-4 or has he always been around 260?
He's always played around 260-275 lbs. I think he shed a little weight but 5-10 lbs at the most.
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