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Old 01-26-2012, 12:18 PM    (permalink
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Yeah lets be real chances are Harbs is going to use the "I dont want 2 new coordinators" line and the quote from Rice where he talks about how Cam lead him to his best season ever and ****.


BTW everything I read was that Pees is a Greg Mattison clone. Seriously I cant take this ******** anymore.
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I can't believe that the organization as a whole is really going to scapegoat a bunch of other people for Cam's failures and let him stay on... I'm really starting to get pissed that we may be pissing away our window.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...FFo otball%29


Summary of the article states Cameron gave a traditional off season plan to each position coach and the source is very confident Cam returns. The source also states that Pagano and Harbs never got along and it would have been strange seeing Pagano and Harbs back next season.


Im really starting to think Harbs just isnt a good coach and when Reed and Ray leave we are completly ******.
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Summary of the article states Cameron gave a traditional off season plan to each position coach and the source is very confident Cam returns. The source also states that Pagano and Harbs never got along and it would have been strange seeing Pagano and Harbs back next season.


Im really starting to think Harbs just isnt a good coach and when Reed and Ray leave we are completly ******.
I hate to say it but I'm starting to feel the same way. It seems like he doesn't bring much to the table on offense or defense and lacks leadership amongst his coaching staff.

TBH, I'm not quite sure what he does.
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He hires his friends as coordinators and doesnt do anything when they are sucking dick. Cam and Mattison are perfect examples of that.


He is a special teams coach and we had the 2nd worst coverage unit in the NFL this year.

If he was hired as a ra-ra motivator guy he obviously didnt do his job because if we showed the **** up against the Jags, Seahawks, titans or chargers we would have had the #1 seed.


Obviously this isnt madden so im not saying fire Harbs but it should be interesting to see how we are when Ray and Reed retires.
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I would love to see Clarance Brooks get the in-house promotion but I'm worried Harbs will choose Pees cause he's been DC before. It just seems so obvious that the Greg Mattison defensive style doesn't work. How could they go back to that?
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Just my .02, but I would like to see Austin get the job. I doubt he does, but I'm sure he'll get a head coaches job in college or a DC somewhere real soon.
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Just my .02, but I would like to see Austin get the job. I doubt he does, but I'm sure he'll get a head coaches job in college or a DC somewhere real soon.
He's my personal favorite too, but I think Pagano might bring him to Indy for their DC position. Of course if we offered it to him first it's the better job but somehow I'm doubting we do that. :(
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I can't believe that the organization as a whole is really going to scapegoat a bunch of other people for Cam's failures and let him stay on... I'm really starting to get pissed that we may be pissing away our window.
What do you mean "is going to"? It already happened last off-season when Al Saunders and Jim Zorn were let go and John Matsko fired instead of firing Cam

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Im really starting to think Harbs just isnt a good coach and when Reed and Ray leave we are completly ******.
I've been feeling this way since late last season/early this season when it became apparent that he doesnt have the balls to instruct his coordinators to do what he wants them to. He said that he was going to have more input into the offense and than we'd run the ball more, but tbh I didnt see much of a difference between this year's offense and last years.

The fact that he is horrible at time management and challenging plays and clearly lets his ego and favours owed to other greatly influence his hiring decisions shows to me that he isnt all he is cracked up to be. Give him an average, or underperforming team, and there is no way he'd look as good as he does now to outsiders
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What do you mean "is going to"? It already happened last off-season when Al Saunders and Jim Zorn were let go and John Matsko fired instead of firing Cam



I've been feeling this way since late last season/early this season when it became apparent that he doesnt have the balls to instruct his coordinators to do what he wants them to. He said that he was going to have more input into the offense and than we'd run the ball more, but tbh I didnt see much of a difference between this year's offense and last years.

The fact that he is horrible at time management and challenging plays and clearly lets his ego and favours owed to other greatly influence his hiring decisions shows to me that he isnt all he is cracked up to be. Give him an average, or underperforming team, and there is no way he'd look as good as he does now to outsiders
Agreed; and your right, I should put "again" at the end of that phrase.
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Have fun with Pees. We're still recovering from his incompetence.
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Pees will look like Rex Ryan compared to Cam Cameron so it can't be that bad.

Harbs needs to be canned.
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Aparently Pees is a Greg Mattison clone.


I am fully on the Vontaze Burfict bandwagon now because we all know Harbs is afraid to fire Cam, but Burfict would have no problem putting Cam and Pees in there place.

I think we still will be alright just because we have Ozzie making picks. But if Decosta isnt what he is cracked up to be we will be a terrible team.

Bottom line is Harbaugh isnt a good coach. Rex>>>>>Harb no debate IMO.
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I wonder if this was cleared by Ozzie and Biscotti. I agree that the HC should pick his staff because he needs to have guys he can work with, but seriously this is just embarassing.
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I wonder if this was cleared by Ozzie and Biscotti. I agree that the HC should pick his staff because he needs to have guys he can work with, but seriously this is just embarassing.
It's Biscotti's idea that we hire a QB coach to act as an intermediary between Cam and Flacco... I believe I've heard that one before.....
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Bottom line is Harbaugh isnt a good coach. Rex>>>>>Harb no debate IMO.
Im not that big of a fan of Harbs, but Rex Ryan isnt that great of a coach either.

You only need to look at the way that the Jets lockerroom has seemingly disintegrated over the past season so see that while he is a great motivator, he probably isnt that good of a leader.
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There is just so much falseness in this statement.
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Where is everyone getting this idea that Dean Pees will be a Mattison clone? is it cause he's old?

I mean, the guy had a good record as New England's defensive coordinator, never finished outside the top 10 in his four years and they even allowed the fewest yards in 28 years for a Pats defense the year they went 16-0, when teams were attempting to pass all over them. Better than anything bumfuck Mattison ever did.

Now, I'm not thrilled about Pees, but lets not put him on the same level as Mattison, that hag was THE WORST.

edit- after reading what TACKLE asked the Pats fans in there discussion, we're probably going to suck on D next year.


As for Cameron coming back, it's absolutely killing me inside. The guy is awful, terrible and will bring the same exact **** offense we've seen for the last 4 years.

WTF HARBAUGH!!!!!!!!!

Also, I know Harbaugh has pissed a ton of fans off with the recent announcements but calling for his job and saying Rex Ryan is better than him??? I think we're a little over our heads here, He's made the playoffs every single year, won games in the playoffs every single year and I seriously can't see why Rex Ryan's and his self-imploding Jet's are something to be jealous off. I mean, Rex has never even beaten Harbaugh, lol


Now, we all hate Cam, I've been asking for his job for years now but lets be honest, if Lee Evans didn't drop that pass, we're in the Super Bowl, can't put that on Cam and he's play calling wasn't as bad as it was in the beginning of the year. He still struggles with getting our WR's open with patterns but atleast he's finally realized that Flacco will never be a Phillip Rivers type QB.

Also, this free agency, Grubbs and Rice ARE MUST RE-SIGNS!!!!

We are likely going to lose Birk to retirement and losing Grubbs along with him could be disastrous to our o-line, which will likely see McKinnie go too, we all saw how bad we were with Gurode starting for Grubbs early in the season, we MUST retain and have 2 Pro Bowlers at Guard.
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We were good statistically under Mattison too. That's why you can't look solely at statistics.
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:40 AM    (permalink
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Where is everyone getting this idea that Dean Pees will be a Mattison clone? is it cause he's old?

I mean, the guy had a good record as New England's defensive coordinator, never finished outside the top 10 in his four years and they even allowed the fewest yards in 28 years for a Pats defense the year they went 16-0, when teams were attempting to pass all over them. Better than anything bumfuck Mattison ever did.

Now, I'm not thrilled about Pees, but lets not put him on the same level as Mattison, that hag was THE WORST.

edit- after reading what TACKLE asked the Pats fans in there discussion, we're probably going to suck on D next year.


As for Cameron coming back, it's absolutely killing me inside. The guy is awful, terrible and will bring the same exact **** offense we've seen for the last 4 years.

WTF HARBAUGH!!!!!!!!!

Also, I know Harbaugh has pissed a ton of fans off with the recent announcements but calling for his job and saying Rex Ryan is better than him??? I think we're a little over our heads here, He's made the playoffs every single year, won games in the playoffs every single year and I seriously can't see why Rex Ryan's and his self-imploding Jet's are something to be jealous off. I mean, Rex has never even beaten Harbaugh, lol


Now, we all hate Cam, I've been asking for his job for years now but lets be honest, if Lee Evans didn't drop that pass, we're in the Super Bowl, can't put that on Cam and he's play calling wasn't as bad as it was in the beginning of the year. He still struggles with getting our WR's open with patterns but atleast he's finally realized that Flacco will never be a Phillip Rivers type QB.

Also, this free agency, Grubbs and Rice ARE MUST RE-SIGNS!!!!

We are likely going to lose Birk to retirement and losing Grubbs along with him could be disastrous to our o-line, which will likely see McKinnie go too, we all saw how bad we were with Gurode starting for Grubbs early in the season, we MUST retain and have 2 Pro Bowlers at Guard.
Cam calling one good game doesn't undo years of misfires. He shouldn't be employed, that's all there is to it. He's a very poor offensive coordinator and he's as to blame for our struggles as anyone else.

As far as Ryan vs Harbaugh...I've been saying we should have hired Rex from the start, but that was much more for his schematic value then anything else. Although I do think we're seeing a serious crisis of faith in Harbaugh, and deservedly so. The recent staffing decisions are both extremely questionable, and it's unfortunate that we're going to see Ray and Ed's last years wasted with the likes of Cam Cameron and Dan Pees. Pathetic.
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Harbs is terrible, but Rex Ryan is too (at least as HC)

I wouldn't want either of these guys as my HC.
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I dont think the **** occuring in the jets lockerroom would have happened judging Ray, Reed and Ozzie never really drafting turds.

Also Cameron would have been out of Baltimore 2 years ago if Rex was the coach.

Thats why I said Rex>>>Harbs.



But anyway we are stuck with harbs so we can just enjoy the twilight of Ray and Reeds career being pissed away.
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