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Old 03-07-2010, 10:21 PM    (permalink
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Just like Jay Cutler and Orlando Pace= championshipz last year
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25 sacks is probably stretching it, but he should be in the running for 18-20 sacks a season. When he is on his game, he's unblockable. He's just on it less than most elite ends.
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What do you guys think? Now that they've made a big splash in free agency by signing one of the NFL's best pass-rushers and some other guys... and they've hired a competent offensive coordinator to maximize Jay Cutler's talents...

Do they have what it takes to be a legit Super Bowl contender next year? Can they be favorites to win it all next year?

Where would you place them in the heirarchy of the NFC?

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3. Bears?


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What a terrible thread. "Giants SB contenders now?" is a much better question and so much more thread worthy...
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The Bears have to get some O-linemen and they need to get young on defense.
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I dont think almost anyone would argue that Julius Peppers is the best defensive player in the game. One of the better ends whens hes on, sure. The best free agent, most likely, but best defensive player in the game, no.
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I dont think almost anyone would argue that Julius Peppers is the best defensive player in the game. One of the better ends whens hes on, sure. The best free agent, most likely, but best defensive player in the game, no.
He argued the most talented, not best, which he probably is. Look at his combination of size and speed, it's ridiculous.
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He argued the most talented, not best, which he probably is. Look at his combination of size and speed, it's ridiculous.
Neat, I wonder if he gets brownie points for that?
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I don't think there is anyone that really stands out as the best.

I'd probably say Jared Allen and then Peppers. The guy isn't just really talented, he's also very productive.
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I don't think they're that good. I don't trust Cutler very much.
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Hes definitely one of the more talented, but id pick Revis, Polomolu, P willie, Hayensworth, Wilfork, over him. I'm sure theres more but those ones just come to mind off the top of my head. When hes on, hes a beast, but thats the problem, I have to use "when hes on".
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There isn't a chance in hell I would take any safety or inside linebacker over an elite pass rusher and the numbers back that up.

Revis, again, great corner, but the best corner in the game isn't going to have the same impact as an elite pass rusher.

Haynesworth is an understandable choice, although it's interesting that you don't like Peppers due to lack of consistant motor but would take Haynesworth over him.

Vince Wilfork....GTFO...

I'd probably add Ware to my list of Allen and Peppers, but I can understand people that would argue Revis or Willis, I just don't think their positions justify it.
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There isn't a chance in hell I would take any safety or inside linebacker over an elite pass rusher and the numbers back that up.

Revis, again, great corner, but the best corner in the game isn't going to have the same impact as an elite pass rusher.

Haynesworth is an understandable choice, although it's interesting that you don't like Peppers due to lack of consistant motor but would take Haynesworth over him.

Vince Wilfork....GTFO...

I'd probably add Ware to my list of Allen and Peppers, but I can understand people that would argue Revis or Willis, I just don't think their positions justify it.
Hayensworth yeah ive heard takes plays off, but that titans D with him in their made them a top defense so I took that into consideration, they were not half as good when he missed playing time. Wilfork, I'm a pats homer but the guy is such a presence for us. Peppers disappears in games, almost completely, but then can go have a six sacks game ( sounds weird). Whenever a DB seems to have disappeared, its normally a good thing. I just dont share the same love for the guy most do, said it in the pats forums too.
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DeMarcus Ware, Jared Allen, P-Willie, Darrelle Revis, and Gary Guyton would all be on my team before Peppers.
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lol, I wouldnt go that far, but yeah my feelings above pretty much sum it up.
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So much fail that he's not even being mentioned.
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Underrated? He's a whiny diva who acted like a douche until he got his pay day.

Talented? Absolutely. One of the most talented defensive players in the NFL? Sure, I'll give you that. Is he going to give you 100%? No, he won't, and I don't think he ever will again.

Great signing, he will make the Bears better, but not Super Bowl bound better.

Now I'll tell you how I really feel..
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I loved woodson this year, hes just a bit old which is why he didnt just spring to mind. And again, I agree peppers is talented, but thats not his problem.
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Do they have what it takes to be a legit Super Bowl contender next year? Can they be favorites to win it all next year?

Where would you place them in the heirarchy of the NFC?

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Not a chance. The Bears' defense has gone to **** since Rivera left, they don't have a #1 receiver, they haven't decided on Olsen yet, and their secondary isn't that good.
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Underrated? He's a whiny diva who acted like a douche until he got his pay day.

Talented? Absolutely. One of the most talented defensive players in the NFL? Sure, I'll give you that. Is he going to give you 100%? No, he won't, and I don't think he ever will again.

Great signing, he will make the Bears better, but not Super Bowl bound better.

Now I'll tell you how I really feel..
Whiny diva? He is a guy who shuns the spotlight and avoids the media, definitely not a diva. On the douche thing until he 'got paid', he turned down offers from Carolina that would have made him the highest paid player. I really don't think he was acting like a douche to get more money he just wanted to get out of Carolina.

Meh maybe I am overreacting I just tend to favour the players in most management/player disputes.
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Woah. Trent Cole > Julius Peppers
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Questionable secondary (4th most passing TDs allowed last year), no offensive line, questionable running game and no real talent at receiver. So a big no. It could change with some offensive signings, good drafting and a year or two, but for now they're still relatively in rebuild mode. Peppers will help the pass and run defense tremendously, but they're not fixing the protection and production of the offense in any way so far.
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They will be playing the Dolphins in the Superbowl, the other team doing well in FA. :)

They are definitely an improved team, but not contending. They donít have any picks in the first two rounds this year I donít think and they still havenít upgraded their offense. However, Cutler canít play any worse then last year.
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