Breaking Bad [SPOILERS] - Page 37

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Yeah no, not at all. The MIB/Jacob/Ben thing is just not close to this, sorry.

I disagree. There are major similarities. I'm not intending saying Gilligan watched LOST and then said, "Hey, that's a good idea" and then used it on Breaking Bad. Why are we arguing over this? It's not central to what I'm saying. Just making a simple observation.

Explanation of the similarity (in spoilers for those who haven't watched LOST):

nepg · 10-03-2011, 07:18 PM

I don't know how you can say "Walt wouldn't do..." to anything. The guy has clearly displayed that he is completely irrational at this point, is not thinking clearly, and will do anything that comes into his demented little mind to get someone to help him put Gus down.

Saul will never do any of the dirty work with his own hands, but sure as hell is willing to aid in it if he thinks it is in his best-interests. Saul has known about Walt's intentions to get rid of Gus, and getting rid of Gus is good for Saul at this point. He and Walt needed a way to get Jesse back on board the kill Gus project.

There is ZERO use in this plot for Gus to have been responsible for Brock's poisoning. The motive and ability to have done this rests completely with Saul and Walt.

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:18 PM

I don't even care if I end up being wrong. I'm just trying to make conversation here because there are very clearly reasons to doubt that Gus did it.

Even if it is as black and white as most of you guys are reading the situation, the writers and directors definitely went to lengths to at least introduce doubt in the narrative that Walt laid out for Jesse. You can't tell me that some of this stuff doesn't give even the most stubborn among you an inkling of doubt.

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I don't know how you can say "Walt wouldn't do..." to anything. The guy has clearly displayed that he is completely irrational at this point, is not thinking clearly, and will do anything that comes into his demented little mind to get someone to help him put Gus down.

Saul will never do any of the dirty work with his own hands, but sure as hell is willing to aid in it if he thinks it is in his best-interests. Saul has known about Walt's intentions to get rid of Gus, and getting rid of Gus is good for Saul at this point. He and Walt needed a way to get Jesse back on board the kill Gus project.

There is ZERO use in this plot for Gus to have been responsible for Brock's poisoning. The motive and ability to have done this rests completely with Saul and Walt.

Glad I have one person in my corner. I agree with everything you said.

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:22 PM

I don't think anyone who disagrees with me (and nepg) has actually read all of the dozen or more posts I've made today that articulate my theory. If you all had read them, I wouldn't have to repeat myself so much and continue pounding my head against the wall.

vidae · 10-03-2011, 07:28 PM

I have absolutely no idea why you're getting so worked up over it. This is all a bunch of guessing anyway. It's great you believe strongly what you do, but why are you getting upset when others disagree?

I'm not going to go through the last 2-3 pages and if this has already been addressed I apologize (sort of), but:

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Originally Posted by nepg

There is ZERO use in this plot for Gus to have been responsible for Brock's poisoning. The motive and ability to have done this rests completely with Saul and Walt.

If Jesse thought that Walt had poisoned Brock, he would have killed him, getting Walt out of the way FOR Gus. It's obvious Gus wants nothing to do with Walt at all anymore, and that includes the cook, so why not use Jesse (and get his permission) to take out someone he deems not only unnecessary to continue the business, but someone who is also a big RISK for his operation?

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

I have absolutely no idea why you're getting so worked up over it. This is all a bunch of theories. It's great you believe strongly what you do, but why are you getting upset when others disagree?

We'll see in six days what is really going on.

I'm annoyed because I'm being pointed at like a crazy guy in the corner. Just saying you're all a little close-minded. My theories aren't air tight, but neither are those from the "Gus did it" camp.

Jvig43 · 10-03-2011, 07:31 PM

I'm just saying if anything thats the least likely scenario. And Vidae, HOPEFULLY we'll find out in six days but this show isn't lost so I expect them to have some answers.

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

If Jesse thought that Walt had poisoned Brock, he would have killed him, getting Walt out of the way FOR Gus. It's obvious Gus wants nothing to do with Walt at all anymore, and that includes the cook, so why not use Jesse (and get his permission) to take out someone he deems not only unnecessary to continue the business, but someone who is also a big RISK for his operation?

It has been discussed.

This is a ridiculously un-Gus-like scheme because it has way too many variables and too much risk. He runs a huge risk of alienating Jesse and losing his loyalty if it doesn't go according to his 50/50-at-best plan. Gus cannot afford to lose Jesse right now. CANNOT. Gus had to know (or would soon realize) that Walt was preparing to flee with his family into anonymity. Walt was about to remove himself from the game.

There would be far easier ways to eliminate Walt. This seems both rushed and haphazard if Gus is behind it.

vidae · 10-03-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

I'm just saying if anything thats the least likely scenario. And Vidae, HOPEFULLY we'll find out in six days but this show isn't lost so I expect them to have some answers.

Fair point.. I'm expecting to get some closure here, so hopefully that happens!

vidae · 10-03-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

There would be far easier ways to eliminate Walt. This seems both rushed and haphazard if Gus is behind it.

I don't disagree with you at all about any particular point, but the only way Walt is going to die is if Jesse signs off on it, so that is something to think about.

And I don't think people who disagree with you are close-minded, they just have a different opinion. None of us know what is going on, and I do like a healthy debate, but meh I'm over this already. I'll wait to see what happens on Sunday. :)

nepg · 10-03-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

I'm just saying if anything thats the least likely scenario. And Vidae, HOPEFULLY we'll find out in six days but this show isn't lost so I expect them to have some answers.

It's not, though. It's the scenario with the most evidence. Your scenario has little to no evidence.

Twiddler · 10-03-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

I don't know how you can say "Walt wouldn't do..." to anything. The guy has clearly displayed that he is completely irrational at this point, is not thinking clearly, and will do anything that comes into his demented little mind to get someone to help him put Gus down.

Saul will never do any of the dirty work with his own hands, but sure as hell is willing to aid in it if he thinks it is in his best-interests. Saul has known about Walt's intentions to get rid of Gus, and getting rid of Gus is good for Saul at this point. He and Walt needed a way to get Jesse back on board the kill Gus project.

There is ZERO use in this plot for Gus to have been responsible for Brock's poisoning. The motive and ability to have done this rests completely with Saul and Walt.

Yeah, I can see this. Sure, Gus is much more likely to do something as sick as poisoning a child for personal gain, but I simply don't see the gain that Gus would get out of it. Gus is much too smart to do something this drastic when he could practically see Jesse almost giving him his blessing before Brock was poisoned.

With that said, I'm not too sold on Walt being the one to poison Brock. Sure, he's done some absolutely terrible things but I'm not entirely sure he would stoop that low. I mean, Walt has his entire family threatened to be murdered, and his reaction is to go out and murder the child that Jesse has grown close to? Maybe its sentiment, but I don't think I'd buy that, even with how it seemingly worked if that was the plan. I'm hoping for some other solution to this, and I wouldn't be surprised if it came somewhere out of left-field. I have no idea what it could be, but Breaking Bad certainly is the show that could resolve this cleanly.

All I can say is that I'm ******* pumped for the finale.

Jvig43 · 10-03-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

It's not, though. It's the scenario with the most evidence. Your scenario has little to no evidence.

When I'm right I'll give you your damn evidence ;)

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

When I'm right I'll give you your damn evidence ;)

From your position, there's really no bragging to be done if you're right. You're taking the safe position.

vidae · 10-03-2011, 07:46 PM

I hope it's someone from way out of left field that no one suspects so you're ALL wrong! Muahaha!

Jvig43 · 10-03-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

From your position, there's really no bragging to be done if you're right. You're taking the safe position.

That Jr Skinny pete and Badger are planning a take over from the shadows? I mean yeah it's obvious but I don't think it's the safe route......

Brodeur · 10-03-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae

I hope it's someone from way out of left field that no one suspects so you're ALL wrong! Muahaha!

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:52 PM

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I hope it's someone from way out of left field that no one suspects so you're ALL wrong! Muahaha!

I already said it wouldn't be at all surprising to not know who did it, either forever or at least until next season.

Xiomera · 10-03-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Twiddler

With that said, I'm not too sold on Walt being the one to poison Brock. Sure, he's done some absolutely terrible things but I'm not entirely sure he would stoop that low. I mean, Walt has his entire family threatened to be murdered, and his reaction is to go out and murder the child that Jesse has grown close to? Maybe its sentiment, but I don't think I'd buy that, even with how it seemingly worked if that was the plan. I'm hoping for some other solution to this, and I wouldn't be surprised if it came somewhere out of left-field. I have no idea what it could be, but Breaking Bad certainly is the show that could resolve this cleanly.

Walt could justify it if he didn't use a lethal poison. He's only a murderer if someone actually dies.

WMD · 10-03-2011, 07:58 PM

What if Brock has lead poisoning because his mom never returned the Chinese-made toys she bought for him which were recalled?

Twiddler · 10-03-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiomera

Walt could justify it if he didn't use a lethal poison. He's only a murderer if someone actually dies.

That's true. However, the thing I wouldn't buy is that he'd have to get Saul to buy into it and I don't really see a situation where Saul would get involved with that. It's possible, I just think the most likely answer is neither. I've learned to stop putting any weight into my predictions of where this series is going, and that's a beautiful thing.

nepg · 10-03-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Ohhhh geez...

By the way, I loved the Wendy montage earlier in the season. Brilliant. Made me think they used that name simply so they could have such a montage with that song at some point in the series.

FuzzyGopher · 10-03-2011, 08:09 PM

That **** loves her root beer.

vidae · 10-03-2011, 08:13 PM

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That **** loves her root beer.

Yeah but who doesn't? That **** is delicious.