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Why would Haynesworth want to be a NT in a 3-4? He knows the move will obviously hurt his production and limit his ability to rush the passer. He could have a bigger impact than Kris Jenkins but could be an absolute monster as a 3-4 DE too. Though if they are running a 3-4/4-3 hybrid, he'll most likely play the NT.
The signing of Kemoeatu there is practically no chance of Haynesworth playing NT. Montgomery will be Kemoeatu's backup.
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The Redskins should have known better than to give him a huge contract.

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That DL can possibly be beast...Haynesworth - Kemo/Montgomery - Griffen

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By appearing the news left and right with small gripes about what they expect of him. As I recall, Shanahan likes **** to be dealt with in house, not in a dialogue through the media.
No its because of that stupid ***** Kelli Johnson coming out in the media saying Haynesworth was skipping the offseason condition program when he was meeting with Shanahan and discussing his offseason workout plans. He was doing a normal radio interview and all the questions that he was asked was about if he was going to be pissy about switching to a 3-4. Everyone keeps trying to find a way to twist what he is saying to cast him in a negative light.
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That DL can possibly be beast...Haynesworth - Kemo/Montgomery - Griffen

Not bad.
Griffin was cut. The DL looks like this: Haynesworth - Kemo - Daniels/Jarmon
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The Redskins should have known better than to give him a huge contract.

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I know he did absolutely nothing for us last year. Nevermind that rookie making the pro bowl with 11 sacks and Andre Carter going from 4 to 11 sacks with his addition.
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Haynesworth is not a NT. If he isn't going to be happy at the 5-tech, then the Redskins are dumb as hell for going to a 3-4 when their 100 million dollar man can't even fit in it.
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I am a huge proponent of the 3-4, but the Redskins moving to it is just perplexing.

It's not out of the question that the Rams take Bradford and the Lions take Okung in which case Washington could end up with Suh or McCoy available at their pick.

If they were still in the 4-3, they'd have a DLine that could feature Haynesworth, Carter, Orakpo, and Suh/McCoy.

And moving to the 3-4 probably means trading Andre Carter who did not fit in the 3-4 as a 49er.

But the Redskins doing dumb **** since Dan Snyder took over is hardly surprising
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I am a huge proponent of the 3-4, but the Redskins moving to it is just perplexing.

It's not out of the question that the Rams take Bradford and the Lions take Okung in which case Washington could end up with Suh or McCoy available at their pick.

If they were still in the 4-3, they'd have a DLine that could feature Haynesworth, Carter, Orakpo, and Suh/McCoy.

And moving to the 3-4 probably means trading Andre Carter who did not fit in the 3-4 as a 49er.

But the Redskins doing dumb **** since Dan Snyder took over is hardly surprising
people who think the move to a 3-4 hybrid is a terrible move obviously know nothing about our defense and are looking for more reason to hate on the skins and snyder just because its the skins and snyder. in the 4-3 orakpo wasnt playing de. he played strongside linebacker and occasionally lined up with his hand on the ground. he is most definitely better suited for 3-4 OLB and is a player you can build your defense around. the hybrid will give him a chance to mix things up and be incredible disruptive. kemo healthy is a great transitional nt. he passed physicals and all signs point to him being ready to go. no one can argue daniels isnt suited well to play de and jarmon has been called a daniels clone since being drafted. the two should share time very well. mcintosh is very versatile and can play inside the 3-4 and weakside in the 4-3. fletcher is a complete beast and can easily play both. haynesworth may play inside some but will get more than his share of time outside and play a ngata type role. no one thought the packers had the players or would transition as quickly as they did and they didnt even go hybrid they went all out...carter is really the only guy that is not a good fit given what he did in san frans 3-4 but haslett has said he thinks his defense will be better for andre than the style ran in san fran was
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people who think the move to a 3-4 hybrid is a terrible move obviously know nothing about our defense and are looking for more reason to hate on the skins and snyder just because its the skins and snyder. in the 4-3 orakpo wasnt playing de. he played strongside linebacker and occasionally lined up with his hand on the ground. he is most definitely better suited for 3-4 OLB and is a player you can build your defense around. the hybrid will give him a chance to mix things up and be incredible disruptive. kemo healthy is a great transitional nt. he passed physicals and all signs point to him being ready to go. no one can argue daniels isnt suited well to play de and jarmon has been called a daniels clone since being drafted. the two should share time very well. mcintosh is very versatile and can play inside the 3-4 and weakside in the 4-3. fletcher is a complete beast and can easily play both. haynesworth may play inside some but will get more than his share of time outside and play a ngata type role. no one though the packers had the players or would transition as quickly as they did and they didnt even go hybrid they went all out...carter is really the only guy that is not a good fit given what he did in san frans 3-4 but haslett has said he thinks his defense will be better for andre than the style ran in san fran was

Thirty! Paragraphs please!

I have to be honest I don't see Haynesworth as a 5 tech either. I'm sure he could make it work because bottom line he is an elite athlete, but he's seriously too big for the end position, and too tall for the nose.

They should be building the defense around him, not completely against his wishes. They paid him 100 mill, that's the kind of money you give your bedrock players.

Look at Chicago, they just paid bank for Peppers. Do you think they are going to construct a D he can excel in, or screw things around for no reason? This whole thing seriously doesn't make sense and I'm actually glad a player is speaking up about it for once.
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people who think the move to a 3-4 hybrid is a terrible move obviously know nothing about our defense and are looking for more reason to hate on the skins and snyder just because its the skins and snyder. in the 4-3 orakpo wasnt playing de. he played strongside linebacker and occasionally lined up with his hand on the ground. he is most definitely better suited for 3-4 OLB and is a player you can build your defense around. the hybrid will give him a chance to mix things up and be incredible disruptive. kemo healthy is a great transitional nt. he passed physicals and all signs point to him being ready to go. no one can argue daniels isnt suited well to play de and jarmon has been called a daniels clone since being drafted. the two should share time very well. mcintosh is very versatile and can play inside the 3-4 and weakside in the 4-3. fletcher is a complete beast and can easily play both. haynesworth may play inside some but will get more than his share of time outside and play a ngata type role. no one thought the packers had the players or would transition as quickly as they did and they didnt even go hybrid they went all out...carter is really the only guy that is not a good fit given what he did in san frans 3-4 but haslett has said he thinks his defense will be better for andre than the style ran in san fran was
Your franchise paid $100 million to a guy who was the best 4-3 nose guard in football and are now telling him to move to the 3-4, when he's making it clear he wouldn't have signed with the team had he known he was going to be moving to this system. Haynesworth is who you build your defense around. This is stupid at best.

Andre Carter had 11 sacks last year and just had a tremendous season overall. Now, they are basically hoping they can somehow make him functional in a defense he already failed at once. Smart...?

Brian Orakpo played strong side linebacker as a rookie... so why exactly can't he play defensive end?

What makes London Fletcher a good fit for the 3-4? Is it his 13 year career of never playing in it? He finally got the recognition he so richly deserved, so it's probably a good idea for him to learn a new defense he's never played.

The Packers are not a good comparison at all and I'm not sure why you've brought them up. Their only notable defensive lineman was Aaron Kampman. Beyond that, it was pretty much no names and a good number of linebackers, which is where the 3-4 gets its strength. And Jim Haslett isn't Dom Capers. He's not even close.

The Redskins had one of the best front 4's in the NFL, so naturally they should change to a 3-4...

This has disaster written all over it.
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The Redskins went from 8-8 to 4-12 and were worse on defense. Yeah, Haynesworth was a real difference maker...negatively. :D
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its clear hes not what he used to be.
It's a different scheme. Titans used him as a penetrator, and the Skins used him as a space eater.

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Titans fans are free to correct me, but it was my impression that Tennessee's defense under Schwartz showed the occasional 3 man front and Haynesworth saw time both at the 0/1-tech and out at the 5-tech. Then again, Schwartz's defense didn't rely on having a dominant gap plugger, and so Haynesworth was freed up to pursue most of the time.
Titans rarely ran a 3-man-front, but the DL was very stunt heavy. A lot of movement immediately after the ball was snapped, and they did move Haynesworth all over the place, so you're right on that. He would often stunt from the DT position, and move outside to attack the OT. Many times though, he'd just line up at RE with Kyle Vanden Bosch at DT and they'd rush the passer from those spots - and Fat Al could beat the OT to pressure the QB. Dude's a monster, and I believe he could succeed at any spot on any DL. He's that strong, that athletic, and just that talented.

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Well given that last year they traded the farm for Cutler then basically built an offense around his weaknesses, I honestly don't know. It makes sense but sometimes teams do things that don't make sense.

Not a fan of the move for the Skins, Orakpo did pretty damn well as a DE. Why change things if you find something that fits and works? Skins were pretty good defensively last year, it was their offense that couldn't do anything.

Hey it might work, Orakpo is a stud, Haynesworth is still a monster but I think it does more harm than good on paper.
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i don't think it's really all that fair to pin that soley on the defense much less a single player.
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The Redskins went from 8-8 to 4-12 and were worse on defense. Yeah, Haynesworth was a real difference maker...negatively. :D
LOL. Please. That's honestly about the worst argument I have ever seen.
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Well given that last year they traded the farm for Cutler then basically built an offense around his weaknesses, I honestly don't know. It makes sense but sometimes teams do things that don't make sense.
Hm a fair point. But the skins are still being ridiculous.
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I have to be honest I don't see Haynesworth as a 5 tech either. I'm sure he could make it work because bottom line he is an elite athlete, but he's seriously too big for the end position, and too tall for the nose.
Is Ngata too big for the end position? Im confused...Ngata is 6'5 345 and Haynesworth is 6'6 350 but Haynesworth is too big to play end and Ngata is arguably the best 3-4 DE in the nfl...
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The Redskins went from 8-8 to 4-12 and were worse on defense. Yeah, Haynesworth was a real difference maker...negatively. :D
Wow I'm glad you just showed everyone how stupid you are. The reason we went 4-12 was for sure not the defense's problem.
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It's not out of the question that the Rams take Bradford and the Lions take Okung in which case Washington could end up with Suh or McCoy available at their pick.

If they were still in the 4-3, they'd have a DLine that could feature Haynesworth, Carter, Orakpo, and Suh/McCoy.
That would be ridiculously nasty, oh well, leave it to the Redskins to make things difficult.


I laugh at all the fans defending this move like it was just the best thing for the team. It may indeed work out, but acting like it was a move you needed to make is just silly. The defense was a team strength, and majority of the core players fit it perfectly.


But no, people just want to hate on the Skins and Snyder that's all
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