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Old 03-29-2010, 10:02 PM    (permalink
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Just finished a Three Round Mock Draft on another site, and wondered how you guys would feel with my choices?
If I can, I'll explain (if asked) who was selected before my/our pick, that way you'll have an idea of my options.

NOTE: this was started before Bradfords pro day.

Rd 1 - Suh and Okung are off the board, so the pic was an obvious one:

Gerald McCoy - DT - Oklahoma



Rd 2A - WR's Bryant/Thomas/Tate are gone, as are DE's Pierre Paul/Graham/Morgan, and CB's Haden/Wilson/McCourty, with Dom promissing "weopens" for Freeman, I went with the best available:

Damien Williams - WR - USC



Rd 2B - Looking for a mixture between value and need this pick was an easy one:

Chris Cook - CB - Virginia Chris Cook battled through a groin injury as a senior, but still had four interceptions and six passes broken up.



This next pick was the easiest and the hardest, I had three guy's in mind, Carlton Mitchell, Andre Roberts, and Dorin Dickerson, in the end:

Dorin Dickerson - TE/WR/FB - Pittsburgh

In Indy the 6-1/226 TE, ran a 4.4 Forty, Benched 225: 24 times and had a Vert of 43.
In his college career, Dickerson played wide receiver, fullback, tight end and even linebacker, his versatility will be a key indriedient to any offense, especially one with Kellen Winslow in it.



I'm pretty pleased, BUT ARE YOU!?!
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Just to add, here's the draft to date:

1 St. Louis Rams------Taylor091 ---Ndamukong Suh
2 Detroit Lions------ bryanod-------Russell Okung
3 Tampa Bay Buccaneers-----TJack-------Gerald McCoy
4 Washington Redskins-------- Satan_Polaroi-----Sam Bradford
5 San Francisco 49ers ------- LeedsCowboy-----Jimmy Clausen
6 Seattle Seahawks----- Lord_Levy------Eric Berry
7 Cleveland Browns-------leebladedawg-------Jason Pierre Paul
8 Oakland Raiders------ HolyRoller10-------Taylor Mays
9 Buffalo Bills ---------Goodfry-------Ryan Matthews
10 Jacksonville Jaguars------ Rodgers2Driver------Dez Bryant
11 Denver Broncos (from Chicago)----- VABrit-----Rolando McClain
12 Miami Dolphins----------emeraldfin-----Brandon Graham
13 Kansas City Chiefs (from San Fran)------ chris caulfield-----Bruce Campbell
14 Philadelphia Eagles(from Denver via Seattle) -------- JB-----Joe Haden
15 New York Giants------ dolphin_tom-----Sean Witherspoon
16 Tennessee Titans----- ramezes-----Derrick Morgan
17 San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)------- LeedsCowboy-----Bryan Bulaga
18 Pittsburgh Steelers-------- DTS737------Mike Iupati
19 Atlanta Falcons------- Substitute-----Earl Thomas
20 Houston Texans-----------woozer-----CJ Spiller
21 Cincinnati Bengals------ 118 M Man #9-----Sergio Kindle
22 New England Patriots-------- Bruschi 54-----Jared Odrick
23 Green Bay Packers-------- Coombser-----Charles Brown
24 Seattle Seahawks (from Philadelphia)------ Lord_Levy-----Trent Williams
25 Baltimore Ravens-------LDB15-----Kyle Wilson
26 Kansas City Chiefs -------- chris caulfield------Dan Williams
27 Dallas Cowboys--------- Oselly-----Anthony Davis
28 San Diego Chargers---------oglalakev-----Devin McCourty
29 New York Jets---------BleedGreen-----Golden Tate
30 Minnesota Vikings---------grazdf-----Maurkice Pouncey
31 Indianapolis Colts---------Clint Session!-----Daryl Washington
32 New Orleans Saints--------- DeanMoriarty-----Jermaine Gresham

Second round

33 Carolina Panthers (from St Louis)------ Smith89----- Demaryious Thomas
34 Detroit Lions------- bryanod-----Brian Price
35 Tampa Bay Buccaneers------ TJack-----Damian Williams
36 Kansas City Chiefs------ chris caulfield -----Jerry Hughes
37 Washington Redskins----- Satan_Polaroid-----Roger Saffold
38 Cleveland Browns---------- leebladedawg-----Nate Allen
39 Oakland Raiders-------- HolyRoller10-----Cam Thomas
40 San Diego Chargers-------oglalakev-----Jahvid Best
41 Buffalo Bills--------Goodfry-----Vlad Ducasse
42 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Chicago)----TJack-----Chris Cook
43 Miami Dolphins-----------emeraldfin-----Aurelious Benn
44 New England Patriots (from Jacksonville)----- Bruschi 54-----Carlos Dunlap
45 Denver Broncos------- VABrit-----Brandon Ghee
46 New York Giants------- dolphin_tom------Tyson Alualu
47 St. Louis Rams (from New England)------Taylor091-----------Colt McCoy,
48 St. Louis Rams (from Carolina)------Taylor091------------Rob Gronkowski
49 Arizona Cardinals ------ PhoenixFireBlade-----Everson Griffen,
50 Arizona Cardinals(from Atlanta)-------PhoenixFireBlade -------Tim Tebow
51 Houston Texans-----------Duper85-----Patrick Robinson,
52 Pittsburgh Steelers-------DTS737-------Kareem Jackson
53 Indianapolis Colts(from New England)--------Clint Session!-----Jared Veldheer
54 Cincinnati Bengals--------118 M Man #9-----Jon Asamoah
55 Seattle Seahawks (from Philadelphia)------ Lord_Levy-----Austen Lane
56 Green Bay Packers------ Coombser-----Ricky Sapp
57 Baltimore Ravens----LDB15-----Corey Wootton
58 Arizona Cardinals------- PhoenixFireBlade-----Terrence Cody
59 Dallas Cowboys--------- Oselly-----Morgan Burnett
60 Philadelphia Eagles (from Seattle)--------- John Breitenbach-----Amari Spievey
61 New York Jets----------BleedGreen-----Alex Carrington
62 Minnesota Vikings-------- grazdf-----Montario Hardesty
63 New England Patriots(from Indianapolis)---------Bruschi 54-----Mardy Gilyard
64 New Orleans Saints-------- DeanMoriarty-----Greg Hardy

Third round

65 New England Patriots---------Bruschi 54-----Koa Misi
66 Detroit Lions------ bryanod-----Toby Gerhart
67 Tampa Bay Buccaneers------ TJack-----Dorin Dickerson
-- Washington Redskins selection forfeited due to selection in 2009 Supplemental Draft
68 Kansas City Chiefs------ chris caulfield-----Chad Jones
69 Oakland Raiders ------ HolyRoller10-----Kelton Tindale
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The issue I had with your post was it's excessiveness. All you did was post random mock drafts.

Just for the record Merlin, I think you could have gone in a few other ways. Williams is ok, but Benn was still on the board and has way more upside. I also would have looked at Griffen who slipped a lot in this draft. I'm not really sure why you drafted Dickerson.
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The issue I had with your post was it's excessiveness. All you did was post random mock drafts.

Just for the record Merlin, I think you could have gone in a few other ways. Williams is ok, but Benn was still on the board and has way more upside. I also would have looked at Griffen who slipped a lot in this draft. I'm not really sure why you drafted Dickerson.
I understand your thinking regarding Benn, but I see Williams as a player who can step in straight away and produce, he may not have the high risk, high reward status that Benn has, but I don't see that as a negative, and with respect, how much higher is Benns ceiling over Williams?

It's only MO, but I see Williams as the better all round pro?

I did consider Griffin, but we still have the likes of Moore etc, whom we really need to evaluate. Unlike most, I don't see DE as a, "must upgrade position", though I would love to see us grab 6'7/299 DE Clifton Geathers out of SC.

As for Dickerson, your looking at a 6'2/226 player, who ran a 4.4 forty, who has a 43 vert, those numbers don't come around too often, and with his versitility, I could see him in a number of different set's/formations. He and Winslow would give defences fit's, especially in a single set, remember he can play WR/TE/FB, mismatches abound in my book!
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I understand your thinking regarding Benn, but I see Williams as a player who can step in straight away and produce, he may not have the high risk, high reward status that Benn has, but I don't see that as a negative, and with respect, how much higher is Benns ceiling over Williams?

It's only MO, but I see Williams as the better all round pro?

I did consider Griffin, but we still have the likes of Moore etc, whom we really need to evaluate. Unlike most, I don't see DE as a, "must upgrade position", though I would love to see us grab 6'7/299 DE Clifton Geathers out of SC.

As for Dickerson, your looking at a 6'2/226 player, who ran a 4.4 forty, who has a 43 vert, those numbers don't come around too often, and with his versitility, I could see him in a number of different set's/formations. He and Winslow would give defences fit's, especially in a single set, remember he can play WR/TE/FB, mismatches abound in my book!
Damian Williams just screams mediocre to me. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't see him being anything more than a decent supplemental receiver. Benn on the other hand I think can be a true #1.

Griffen would have been fantastic value. Moore is untested and Stylez White is not only old, but should only be a 3rd down pass rusher. Griffen has size and pass rush ability.

I know Dickerson has great numbers, but he just doesn't play the way he times. His route running ability really handicaps him in my opinion. Not to mention we have little need for him with Winslow already our best offensive weapon. It's just a wasteful pick when we have so many other needs that could have been addressed instead.
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The issue I had with your post was it's excessiveness. All you did was post random mock drafts.

Just for the record Merlin, I think you could have gone in a few other ways. Williams is ok, but Benn was still on the board and has way more upside. I also would have looked at Griffen who slipped a lot in this draft. I'm not really sure why you drafted Dickerson.
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I actually like Damien Williams; he came from a pro style offense, has knowledge of the route tree, and has a little wiggle to him(can make a few guys miss).

Dorian Dickson i only like coming out of the backfeild either a H back or a recieving fullback.
From what I hear he is not the best at running routes but might be able to slip out of the backfield and make a few 5-6 yard catches.
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I know Dickerson has great numbers, but he just doesn't play the way he times. His route running ability really handicaps him in my opinion. Not to mention we have little need for him with Winslow already our best offensive weapon. It's just a wasteful pick when we have so many other needs that could have been addressed instead.
Hmm....ok, I guess we agree to disagree.

Who would you have taken in the 3rd?
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Hmm....ok, I guess we agree to disagree.

Who would you have taken in the 3rd?
A ton of players. Dickerson is not only a wasteful pick for the Buccaneers, he was also a reach.
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Don't need a ton...a few will do.

Wasteful....really?

Reach....IYO, Mayock stated he wouldn't get past the 2nd Rd....IHO.
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Don't need a ton...a few will do.

Wasteful....really?

Reach....IYO, Mayock stated he wouldn't get past the 2nd Rd....IHO.
Mayock is good, but some of the things he says aren't quite right. Robert Ayers one of the top players in last years draft? Yeah ok. I just don't think we can justify spending a 3rd round pick on a player with no pro position.


In your position I would have probably gone

Gerald McCoy, Everson Griffen, Arrelious Benn and Perrish Cox.
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I agree with Caddy, I would have gone Benn at 2a. I may be totally wrong here, but could someone explain to me what Williams brings to the table the Reggie Brown doesn't? They strike me as extremely similar.

Also why do you like Cook over Patrick Robinson?
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I agree with Caddy, I would have gone Benn at 2a. I may be totally wrong here, but could someone explain to me what Williams brings to the table the Reggie Brown doesn't? They strike me as extremely similar.

Also why do you like Cook over Patrick Robinson?
Like I said earlier:

I understand your thinking regarding Benn, but I see Williams as a player who can step in straight away and produce, he may not have the high risk, high reward status that Benn has, but I don't see that as a negative, and with respect, how much higher is Benns ceiling over Williams?

It's only MO, but I see Williams as the better all round pro?

I did consider Griffin, but we still have the likes of Moore etc, whom we really need to evaluate, I'm not sure Griffin would be an upgrade?. Unlike most, I don't see DE as a, "must upgrade position", though I would love to see us grab 6'7/299 DE Clifton Geathers out of SC.

In regards to Cook: I like his size and versitility, I also think he has a higher ceiling IMO?
Robinson has a number of "issues" off the field, though if we got him in the real draft, I wouldn't cry about it, though I wouldn't have a party about it either. Look at it this way, I wouldn't let Robinson and Talib share a cab.
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I'm going against the grain here, but I see McCoy being a major disappointment in the NFL. I would prefer practically anybody over McCoy.

I too have Benn much higher than Williams. Benn is a late 1st round talent that might be there in round 2, Williams is a 3rd round talent that might go as early as the middle of round 2.

Chris Cook I like... if he's there in early round 3. He's versatile, competitive, big, and athletic but we really do NEED a DE. A good DE will help whomever is in the secondary. Griffen would be nice, i would have preferred Jerry Hughes at 2a and either Benn or Gilyard at 2b... though my major preference would have been DT Lamarr Houston (who is mysteriously absent from the first 2 rounds here!) in round 2 after we traded down or took OT Okung (who wasn't there), Pierre Paul, or Berry.

As for Dickerson, you can spout off all the measurables you want on the guy, but the guy can't get separation and looks like a career special teamer to me. Lamarr Houston was still there and can play LDE and UT... Jacoby Ford would also have been better even if we already grabbed a 2nd round WR.
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I'm going against the grain here, but I see McCoy being a major disappointment in the NFL. I would prefer practically anybody over McCoy.

I too have Benn much higher than Williams. Benn is a late 1st round talent that might be there in round 2, Williams is a 3rd round talent that might go as early as the middle of round 2.

Chris Cook I like... if he's there in early round 3. He's versatile, competitive, big, and athletic but we really do NEED a DE. A good DE will help whomever is in the secondary. Griffen would be nice, i would have preferred Jerry Hughes at 2a and either Benn or Gilyard at 2b... though my major preference would have been DT Lamarr Houston (who is mysteriously absent from the first 2 rounds here!) in round 2 after we traded down or took OT Okung (who wasn't there), Pierre Paul, or Berry.

As for Dickerson, you can spout off all the measurables you want on the guy, but the guy can't get separation and looks like a career special teamer to me. Lamarr Houston was still there and can play LDE and UT... Jacoby Ford would also have been better even if we already grabbed a 2nd round WR.
Yeah you are right about Dickerson. Although Houston is a pure UT in a 4-3. He might be an end in a 3-4 but not in our scheme.

Chris Cook has a big ceiling and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go earlier than expected.
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Yeah you are right about Dickerson. Although Houston is a pure UT in a 4-3. He might be an end in a 3-4 but not in our scheme.

Chris Cook has a big ceiling and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go earlier than expected.
After coming to Texas as a LB and FB, Lamarr played DE his first 2 seasons at Texas (started as a soph) and switched to DT in year 3... he ran a 4.85 40 which is faster than Kyle Moore, Jimmy Wilkerson and pretty much every DE on our roster besides Tim Crowder (4.69). If you can recall a few years back we used to have LDE/UT swing guys (Tyoka Jackson, Ellis Wyms) that would work their way into the regular rotation at those two positions. I think Houston could definitely get some snaps at LDE for us and do pretty well.
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After coming to Texas as a LB and FB, Lamarr played DE his first 2 seasons at Texas (started as a soph) and switched to DT in year 3... he ran a 4.85 40 which is faster than Kyle Moore, Jimmy Wilkerson and pretty much every DE on our roster besides Tim Crowder (4.69). If you can recall a few years back we used to have LDE/UT swing guys (Tyoka Jackson, Ellis Wyms) that would work their way into the regular rotation at those two positions. I think Houston could definitely get some snaps at LDE for us and do pretty well.
Speed is not an indication that he would be a better DE than Moore and Wilkerson and either is the position at which he entered college. He also weighs in at 305. Playing him at defensive end would be wasting his talent. He is a great penetrator and putting him against a space eater like Roy Miller would open him up for 5+ sacks.

Sure we had swing D-Lineman a few years ago, but Kiffin is gone and we didn't do that at all last year nor did we do much of it in Kiffin's last few years.

Houston is a good enough player that he should be used inside on all three downs.
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We didn't do it last season because Kyle Moore was injured.. he played the swing position in preseason and actually got a sack on a bullrush while lined up at DT.

No, speed is not an indication of if he's better, but it demonstrates his athleticism... and yes it could be wasting his talent... but what if we were playing the Panthers and they kept running all over us... and we put Houston at LDE, Miller and Dre Moore at DT with Crowder or Kyle Moore at RDE... defnitely not a pass rushing group but they would stuff the run.
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Kyle Moore is able to do that because he is a fairly large end. In saying that, Houston would still have a 20+ pound weight advantage suited to playing on the inside.

I doubt that would stop the run either. Crowder is extremely average and Dre Moore? really...
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Kyle Moore is able to do that because he is a fairly large end. In saying that, Houston would still have a 20+ pound weight advantage suited to playing on the inside.

I doubt that would stop the run either. Crowder is extremely average and Dre Moore? really...
There has never been any doubt about Dre Moore's athletic ability, the guy is a freak... he just needs to grasp the mental and conditioning sides of the game. He's faster than all our DEs other than Crowder, he can stack, shed, bullrush... he just needs to "get it". I have my fingers crossed for him... it took Haynesworth a few years to get it, too.
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